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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    No one is forcing the religion on anyone...IF the employees that work for HL want contraceptives they can go to the store and buy them. Or, work for someone else. Me not buying something for you that my religion is against, is not restricting you from buying it yourself.
    True, if anything making contraceptives covered by employers will make them more expensive in the long run. Things that aren't usually covered tend to be cheap enough to pay out of pocket. Ever been to the vet? It is not cheap but the costs aren't outrageous. Little to no insurance, for procedures that sort of are similar in humans. My cat swallowed a lego tire (not kidding) and it cost 400 dollars for intestinal surgery. Imagine how much intestinal surgery would cost in a human. Probably more. But with insurance in the thousands. There's no reason it shouldn't be too much higher.

    My two main problems with Obamacare have nothing to do with what conservatives usually cite. It is not socialized medicine and to suggest so is ridiculous. It is a giant giveaway to big corporations. That being said it is not the mandate.

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    1. Keeps the framework of an employer based system. Tax benefits that go to corporations should go to individuals. This is keeping us stuck in 1946! Employer based system is among the worst economic ideas ever concocted and ranks slightly behind the lump of labor fallacy on my list of economic bunko. I'd take ANYTHING over that highly inefficient system that is literally crippling our economy as we speak. I'd prefer a true free market system where insurance is portable and there is a tendency to major medical and health savings accounts but I'd take the Canadian system if the only two options were it and the status quo.

    2. Obama is forcing insurance to be "comprehensive" and cover more and more things. He is effectively outlawing major medical and liberals are saying high deductibles are "unfair." Really? They keep people fiscally responsible and from overconsuming on health care like Americans do. If you will see the cost of your care more often maybe you will not eat that hot dog or smoke that cigarette. By making things "comprehensive" it is simply passed on in the premiums and this leads to demand for government regulation of personal behavior.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    They refuse to buy contraception for their employees due to their religious views that is forcing their views on others.
    I may refuse to buy a gun for you because of my religious beliefs but that is certainly not forcing my beliefs on you. It is just a refusal to participate in what private activities you may have when you're away from your place of employment.

    What Hobby Lobby is saying is just what John Boehner said to Harry Reid, and do it on your own time.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    I do not either mainly due to the fact I believe all prescription drugs and contraception should be paid for under a national pharmacare plan.
    Yes, someone else should always pay for everything, with the government acting as the Middle Man.

    It's like a protection racket, with the government always taking their cut. Only the G-Men really benefit.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, someone else should always pay for everything, with the government acting as the Middle Man.

    It's like a protection racket, with the government always taking their cut. Only the G-Men really benefit.

    Why not, it helps the elderly in this country primarily, you know the people who built the country but this is Canada so.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post

    Why not, it helps the elderly in this country primarily, you know the people who built the country but this is Canada so.
    It works do well, that Canadians are crossing into the United States for medical treatment.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It works do well, that Canadians are crossing into the United States for medical treatment.
    Not that many, but still fare far better and unlike you our budget can actually balanced in several years, so we can have nice things like pharmacare. Americans always say that but there are far more people who stay here, and Americans immigrating that makes that number null.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It works do well, that Canadians are crossing into the United States for medical treatment.
    Obamacare will create a health care crisis in Canada because Canadians will no longer have a place to go for quick treatment with high tech equipment. Now it will involve airplanes, and ever-increasing line-ups through airport security, to get proper health care in Costa Rica or Nicaragua.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Not that many, but still fare far better and unlike you our budget can actually balanced in several years, so we can have nice things like pharmacare. Americans always say that but there are far more people who stay here, and Americans immigrating that makes that number null.
    Yes, the Canadian government is promising to balance the budget in a few years and are doing quite a good job. Too bad the Americans didn't vote for a Conservative government also. It would have made North America economically much stronger.

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    Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    This argument just shows why the fewer things government is involved in, the better off we are. That is why the federal government was LIMITED by the constitution. Let people make their own decisions, but let them pay for them too. If they can't afford it, perhaps they think twice before they do it. If you're stupid enough to smoke, you ought to die in the street choking on your own lungs (and I'm a former smoker). If you're 60 lbs overweight, perhaps instead of buying you a scooter, I personally pay for your sorry ass a treadmill and a year long Y membership and you buy your own health insurance. If you want to screw like minks, buy your own contraception. It's time to quit subsidizing health insurance, providing corporate welfare and farm subsidies as well as funding a bloated military and defense companies that contribute nothing but war and death to the rest of the world under the pretense of freedom. /rant

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, the Canadian government is promising to balance the budget in a few years and are doing quite a good job. Too bad the Americans didn't vote for a Conservative government also. It would have made North America economically much stronger.
    Well it's not a problem of if it's a problem of how, the Conservatives are probably going to lose next election due to how they balanced the budget. Americans seem to have dug themselves into a giant hole that will take decades to climb out of if ever.

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