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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What I don't understand is why it doesn't violate their religion when somebody purchases a morning after pill themselves. After all the company paid the salary that paid for the purchase. It is still their money that bought the thing.

    And you are wrong..there are many religions that forbid medical treatment.



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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Except that's not how it works. The employer pays a flat fee per month per employee. They are not paying any more to pay for contraceptives than they would be not to. It is then up to the employee whether or not they want to take advantage of the contraceptive coverage or not. What's really happening here is that the employer wants to tell the employee what they can and cannot do in their off-hours, in a bedroom which is none of the employer's damn business.

    That's the reality.
    Except that's NOT the reality. If it were, the employer would have a choice to choose a plan that doesn't include the funding of private sexual activity. Want to hold your bedroom activities private? - pay for them yourself.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Part of many women's healthcare includes using birth control. Why should a company choose for them?
    Part of any persons healthcare is personal hygiene. Should the employer have to pay for soap, toothpaste , etc.?

    When did personal responsibility end?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except that's NOT the reality. If it were, the employer would have a choice to choose a plan that doesn't include the funding of private sexual activity. Want to hold your bedroom activities private? - pay for them yourself.
    But they don't. Deal with it. These are the plans that are available. Pick one. An employer should no more be able to pick and choose whether contraceptive coverage is available than they should be able to cover whether lung cancer treatment is available.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    I sometimes want to be not-sober as a personal choice.

    The government should mandate free booze for me.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then they have the freedom to structure said company so they don't have to provide health insurance.
    Or they can move overseas and have the same people who created these laws shaking their fists as they leave.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense. Dental and vision are more legitimately a part of everyone's health care need, and yet there is no requirement to provide either.
    Unlike contraception coverage, dental and vision coverage would cost quite a bit more but if you say it needs to be covered I won't argue. Maybe next year.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Part of any persons healthcare is personal hygiene. Should the employer have to pay for soap, toothpaste , etc.?

    When did personal responsibility end?
    Pedicures are covered under Medicare because it is cheaper than paying for amputations from infected toenails.
    If we could save HC money suppying soap I'de be for it too.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But they don't. Deal with it. These are the plans that are available. Pick one. An employer should no more be able to pick and choose whether contraceptive coverage is available than they should be able to cover whether lung cancer treatment is available.
    See post #34.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    I sometimes want to be not-sober as a personal choice.

    The government should mandate free booze for me.
    Cool, I want the government to pay for my medical marijuana too.

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