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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Apples and oranges.
    Not at all. You just don't mind the government collecting for things YOU like and support while complaining about this.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but for the Libbos, personal responsibility is a thing of the past.
    One only needs to look at the right to see the hypocrisy. They whine about personal responsibility, but have no problem taking federal money (FEMA) when disaster hits their states.

    Personal responsibility would dictate you don't live in hurricane prone areas OR you pay for it yourself through insurance and plan ahead.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope they arent being told to go against their beliefs, they are free to practice their beliefs for themselves all they want.
    Theres no violation of their religion at all because their religious freedom does NOT allow them to impose their religions on others outside of the religious realm. They have ZERO authority outside the religious realm in THIS case. No violation at all. The violation is them trying to impose thier religion on others because they ADMITTED making a choice solely based on their religion.

    Just like St Lukes hospital couldn't deny visitation rights to husband/wife that were not married per the religion of the hospital. If the owner, ceo, administration of the hospital doesnt believe the couple is married in their religious views they have zero rights to stop the wife/husband from visitation, why? because a hospital has nothing to do with religion and has to play by the same rules as everyone else.
    You are using so many analogies to debate the issue at hand that you end up debating the analogoies.

    You should stick to the issue at hand, which is that a company is being forced by the government to buy something for a third party which goes against their religious beliefs.

    Leftists are terrible at analogies anyway and only leads to their further confusion.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    1.)You are using so many analogies to debate the issue at hand that you end up debating the analogoies.

    2.)You should stick to the issue at hand, which is that a company is being forced by the government to buy something for a third party which goes against their religious beliefs.

    Leftists are terrible at analogies anyway and only leads to their further confusion.
    1.) so many? i used one other FACTUAL example, nothing to debate
    2.) wrong they are being forced to obey the law and not violate the rights of their employees and not discriminate, HUGE difference
    3.) again the analogy i used is factual
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    One only needs to look at the right to see the hypocrisy. They whine about personal responsibility, but have no problem taking federal money (FEMA) when disaster hits their states.

    Personal responsibility would dictate you don't live in hurricane prone areas OR you pay for it yourself through insurance and plan ahead.
    "The Right", has been hit by natural disasters? Gee whiz, which one?

    Nothing but a buncha righties in Orleans and Jefferson Parish Is that what you're saying?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) so many? i used one other FACTUAL example, nothing to debate
    You used an example that had no bearing whatsoever on the discussion at hand.

    2.) wrong they are being forced to obey the law and not violate the rights of their employees and not discriminate, HUGE difference
    There are no employees rights being violated. They did not commence their employment with any right of free contraception in place so how are they losing any rights? It is HL who are losing their rights.

    3.) again the analogy i used is factual
    It doesn't matter if it is factual or not. That is not the point of an analogy. it should have something to do with the subject under discussion, to further illustrate the point being made, and not veer off into other directions entirely.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    1.)You used an example that had no bearing whatsoever on the discussion at hand.



    2.)There are no employees rights being violated. They did not commence their employment with any right of free contraception in place so how are they losing any rights? It is HL who are losing their rights.



    It doesn't matter if it is factual or not. That is not the point of an analogy. it should have something to do with the subject under discussion, to further illustrate the point being made, and not veer off into other directions entirely.
    1.) facts, reality and laws disagree with you.
    2.) of course they are, discrimination thats why laws, realty disagree with you. The employees will have to go out of thier way and do extra steps based soley on a religious decision being forced against them.

    HL loses ZERO rights and isnt having any rights being infringed on, if you disagree please state what it is.

    3.) it did, no my fault if you cant recognize it, the examples shows business and what dont cant make a declensions solely based on religious views if it discriminates against others, it applies 100%
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) facts, reality and laws disagree with you.
    Facts? Who's yours? I haven't seen you back up one thing you call a fact. Reality? Again, who's reality? Your liberal reality? Laws? What law forces the mandatory inclusion of contraception coverage? In answering this please use sourced materiel so that we can see where you are getting your ideas from.



    2.) of course they are, discrimination thats why laws, realty disagree with you. The employees will have to go out of thier way and do extra steps based soley on a religious decision being forced against them.
    The argument of discrimination is foolishness. There is no discrimination because someone would have to purchase their own contraception.



    HL loses ZERO rights and isnt having any rights being infringed on, if you disagree please state what it is.
    Religious liberty is a fundamental right. The HHS anti-conscience mandate directly goes against that liberty.





    3.) it did, no my fault if you cant recognize it, the examples shows business and what dont cant make a declensions solely based on religious views if it discriminates against others, it applies 100%
    You have to prove discrimination. You haven't even come close to doing that.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Apples and oranges.
    Not so fast. Just as the government can take your tax money, which is paid into a general fund, and use some of it to buy ammunition, whether you are morally opposed to it or not, insurance companies can take some of Hobby Lobby's insurance premium money, which is general in nature, and apply it to contraceptive care, whether they are morally opposed to it or not.

    No difference whatsoever.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "The Right", has been hit by natural disasters? Gee whiz, which one?

    Nothing but a buncha righties in Orleans and Jefferson Parish Is that what you're saying?
    Did I say JUST the right? No, I didn't. Nice try at deflecting. The facts remain in my post.

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