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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    It would seem that all Hobby Lobby has to do is to write in their corporate bylaws that they will not in any way participate, either directly or indirectly, in the killing of humans, in any way, in the course of conducting any aspect of their business.

    That will eliminate religion from the issue and make it a corporate bylaw matter.

    Because the company is privately held, their chances of success, already fairly good, will thereby increase.
    They still have no choice if the laws require insurance providers to cover contraceptives. Hobby Lobby is certainly welcome not to offer any form of health insurance to their employees, but if they want to provide insurance, this is the kind of insurance they will have to provide. Pick one.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Except it's not killing her baby. It's CONTRACEPTION. The fetus is never made. This crap about it being abortion is just more BS spin from the religious ayatollahs and their non-thinking fanatic followers.
    So a Fetus is a baby ? Glad you've started to see the light but there are those that believe life starts at conception. As far as the religious "fanatics " and their beliefs being condensed by you down to a unthinking mob ? Our Muslim community is still pretty small in the states in comparison.

    Christians have no more power in this Country than any other group. Woman continue to kill their unborn babies and more and more aspects of the Christian religion are being purged almost on a daily basis from govt buildings, cemeteries and schools among other institutions. ( at the expense of our American Society )

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    I argue and argue with others who share my beliefs and come away frustrated.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Yes, much the same arguments were used by those who favored Jim Crow, and those who favored slavery before them. What an ignoble tradition you are perpetuating. Disgusting.
    Even the people who disagreed with slavery were bound by laws to return escaped slaves or face the consequences thereof. You don't get to ignore the law just because you don't like it.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope but whats that have to do with anything? oh thats right nothing.
    just spit it out what you want to ask or are trying to get at

    You're trying to make a case that me not buying something for you is discrimination. In this case it is indirectly, but still the same. Plus you made some attempt earlier to say that HL following their religious precept, was in violation of yours....What religion accepts the use of contraceptives? None that I know of....Now if HL were saying that they didn't want to include contraceptives in their insurance policies, and at the same time mandating that their employees not use them, nor have out of wedlock sex then you'd have a case. But, frankly sir, and this will end my participation for the night, your argument is not only deeply flawed on several levels, but shows a fundamental lack of understanding on "rights" vs. entitlement. Neither of which I believe this is, but until the courts, and hopefully in the future the congress rectifies by striking down this fascist meddling in private business will be laid bare, and condemned. Good night.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope its the government protecting its citizens' freedoms, rights liberties and from discrimation and rights infringement
    Since when is obligating one person to pay for another person's birth control measures freedom, liberty, discrinination, or roghtsd infringements. It seems clear ehre that ypou must be treferring to Hobby Lobby.

    Also the cornerstone of Western Human Rights is equality before the law. We have seen dozens of companies who are excempt from these laws while others, like Hobby Lobby, are being forces to oblige against their will and their protected religious liberties.

    Supplying birth control devices to employees was never a condition of employment when the workers began their jobs and the government should not be allowed to make these conditions retroactive.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Even the people who disagreed with slavery were bound by laws to return escaped slaves or face the consequences thereof. You don't get to ignore the law just because you don't like it.

    It's not law, it's a HHC mandate.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Even the people who disagreed with slavery were bound by laws to return escaped slaves or face the consequences thereof. You don't get to ignore the law just because you don't like it.

    But we have seen where other companies, under the presidents blessings, have been allowed to ignore the law. This is not equality before the law.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    its not my concept, its reality and how the courts see it
    This is absurd. The Courts will not rule based on "discrimination" by the employer upon the employees. There is not basis for that, and your willy-nilly use of the words "rights" and "discrimination" is a deterent to reasoned discussion here.

    The issue will be the rights of the employer.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But we have seen where other companies, under the presidents blessings, have been allowed to ignore the law. This is not equality before the law.
    I agree with you. Get all companies to be required to follow the same law. Don't make exceptions for anyone.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1.)You're trying to make a case that me not buying something for you is discrimination. In this case it is indirectly, but still the same.
    2.)Plus you made some attempt earlier to say that HL following their religious precept, was in violation of yours....
    3.)What religion accepts the use of contraceptives? None that I know of....
    4.)Now if HL were saying that they didn't want to include contraceptives in their insurance policies, and at the same time mandating that their employees not use them, nor have out of wedlock sex then you'd have a case.
    5.)But, frankly sir, and this will end my participation for the night, your argument is not only deeply flawed on several levels, but shows a fundamental lack of understanding on "rights" vs. entitlement. Neither of which I believe this is, but until the courts, and hopefully in the future the congress rectifies by striking down this fascist meddling in private business will be laid bare, and condemned.
    6.)Good night.
    1.) wrong again thats not what im doing at all
    2.) i didnt make the "claim" its a fact their decision is based on their religion
    3.) this is meaningless to the debate
    4.) this is also meaningless to the debate
    5.) you say this but yet all the facts and logic are on my side and the courts agree with me and not you, you are free to your OPINION but you have no support for it and nothing factually to bring to the table.
    6.) night, when you wake up let me know if you have anything factual to add
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