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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you are forcing me to cover your birth control that puts me firmly in your bedroom. Practice some logic, ok?
    Part of many women's healthcare includes using birth control. Why should a company choose for them? Especially since it is a cost saving benefit. Hobby Lobby does not pay one extra dime for it. It is also a purely religous issue that is subject to seperation of church and state. A company may not impose their religous views on their employees.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The company is providing health care. What if that is against their religion too?
    Then they have the freedom to structure said company so they don't have to provide health insurance.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The company is providing health care, and I don't know any religion that considers health care a violation. The morning after pill is a pill to cure the "pregnancy disease" in their minds, which violates their religion. I am absolutely baffled as to why the hobby lobby workers can't simply buy it for themselves in the off chance that they need it.

    What I don't understand is why it doesn't violate their religion when an employee purchases a morning after pill themselves. After all the company paid the salary that paid for the purchase. It is still their money that bought the thing.

    And you are wrong..there are many religions that forbid medical treatment. Someone who practices any one of them could deny ALL healthcare coverage on religous grounds same as Hobby Lobby.

    These churches and movements have religious beliefs against some or most forms of medical care:

    ■Followers of Christ
    ■Faith Assembly
    ■Church of the Firstborn
    ■Christian Science
    ■Faith Tabernacle
    ■End Time Ministries
    ■The Believers’ Fellowship
    ■Jehovah’s Witnesses
    ■Church of God of the Union Assembly
    ■Church of God (certain congregations)
    ■First Century Gospel Church
    ■Full Gospel Deliverance Church
    ■Faith Temple Doctoral Church of Christ in God
    ■Jesus through Jon and Judy
    ■Christ Miracle Healing Center
    ■Northeast Kingdom Community Church
    ■Christ Assembly
    ■The Source
    ■“No Name” Fellowship
    ■The Body
    ■1 Mind Ministries
    ■Twelve Tribes
    ■Born in Zion Ministry
    Since 1980 children have died in these sects without medical attention for:

    ■pneumonia
    ■meningitis
    ■diabetes
    ■diphtheria
    ■appendicitis
    ■measles
    ■gangrene
    ■dehydration
    ■blood poisoning
    ■Wilm’s tumor and other cancers
    ■perinatal suffocation or strangulation
    ■diarrhea
    ■respiratory infections
    ■kidney infections
    ■Rocky Mountain spotted fever
    ■epilepsy
    ■pericarditis
    ■strangulated hernia
    ■bowel obstruction
    ■sepsis
    ■thalassemia
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Part of many women's healthcare includes using birth control. Why should a company choose for them? Especially since it is a cost saving benefit. Hobby Lobby does not pay one extra dime for it. It is also a purely religous issue that is subject to seperation of church and state. A company may not impose their religous views on their employees.
    Nonsense. Dental and vision are more legitimately a part of everyone's health care need, and yet there is no requirement to provide either.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Part of many women's healthcare includes using birth control. Why should a company choose for them?
    Separate issue. Doc's that proscribe birth control to treat other conditions code it differently...You know that.

    Especially since it is a cost saving benefit. Hobby Lobby does not pay one extra dime for it.
    It's not a cost issue, it is a religious one...You can't have it both ways. You can't scream separation of church and state when it suits you, and ignore it when it suits you.

    It is also a purely religous issue that is subject to seperation of church and state.
    Absolutely, so you should be railing to get government out of religion.

    A company may not impose their religous views on their employees.
    What views are they imposing? Does Hobby Lobby have a clause that prevents their employees from purchasing birth control with their own money?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Part of many women's healthcare includes using birth control. Why should a company choose for them? Especially since it is a cost saving benefit. Hobby Lobby does not pay one extra dime for it. It is also a purely religous issue that is subject to seperation of church and state. A company may not impose their religous views on their employees.
    1. It doesn't matter if it is part of women's healthcare. I don't care and neither does the issue at hand.
    2. No one is saying that women can't take birth control. The issue is not over them choosing to take whatever they want, but over someone else being compelled to cover it for them.
    3. I don't care what Hobby Lobby has to pay and that is not the issue that is brought up by mandating behavior.
    4. No, it is not just a religious issue.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have 2 statements to make here:

    1) Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to impose your religious views on others. Your freedom of religion stops where my own freedom of religion begins.

    2) If Hobby Lobby wants to pay 1.3 million in fines per day, then by all means let them. It will help reduce our deficit a tiny bit. Thank you, Hobby Lobby, for volunteering to pay a little more.

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    I am so torn by this. I think churches and their employees have a point. In private industry? No.

    I'm Christian Scientist. We aren't providing anything close to the coverage Obamacare calls for my auto parts company employees because my religion strictly regulates my going to doctors and what I can go to them for.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Ah, look at that. There are more ignorant religious organizations than I thought. Doesn't really change my premise. I don't support the government punishing someone for not buying someone else something, especially if it violates their religion. The government forces the corporations to pay because the government has failed to provide healthcare itself. It's passing the buck.

    The company pays their employees a wage, and they can do what they want with that wage.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's what they're trying to do, but the governement wants to require the business to fund those bedroom activities.
    Except that's not how it works. The employer pays a flat fee per month per employee. They are not paying any more to pay for contraceptives than they would be not to. It is then up to the employee whether or not they want to take advantage of the contraceptive coverage or not. What's really happening here is that the employer wants to tell the employee what they can and cannot do in their off-hours, in a bedroom which is none of the employer's damn business.

    That's the reality.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is that a good question? There is no justifiable reason to compel them to provide it.
    They're not being compelled to provide it, the plan that is offered simply includes it and they are making a big deal of insisting it is removed from the plan offered by the insurance company.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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