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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    it explains itself, please be more specific with your questions.

    Do people have a right not to be unfairly discriminated against?
    Hello ......... anybody home ? Your concept of "fairness and discrimination" is not the standard that determines a "right".

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    Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) yes they do but thats meaningless to the issue.
    2.) yes they will but they will be forced to buy it on their own or do extra steps to obtain based on somebody else religious views, that would be discrimination and rights infringement.

    thats whats key, since HL admits its because of the bosses religious/owners/boards etc beliefs thats where they lose, if you admit that or it can be proven HL loses

    ability to get something another way is meaningless
    Understood, but HL is challenging the law because they disagree with it, and they can do that. If Obamacare, which is unconstitutional, was upheld by the SCOTUS, I see no reason why they wouldn't side with HL on this. The SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare basically states that the Constitution really doesn't matter. That sets up a scary precedent for the future.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    easy because you made your choice based on YOUR religion and it discrimination against mine
    Okay ..

    .. Let's say the owner's religious tenet conflicts with your religious tenet, and, as is the topically relevant case, your religious tenet conflicts with the owner's religious tenet.

    How do you resolved that conflict between two conflicting tenets of two religions?

    You don't.

    You, if you're a wise SCOTUS, strip religion from both sides of the argument, and examine the matter at its foundational elements, you examine the substance of the conflict ..

    .. And you settle the matter substantively.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Indeed.

    All that HL corporate owners are saying is that they don't want, they the owners themselves, to be in any associated way a witting accomplice to killing prenatal humans, which they would be if they offered a medical plan that subsidizes the morning-after pill.

    They are simply taking themselves out of the complict accomplice role, and understandably so in this matter.

    They are not telling anyone else what they can and can't do on their own dime and time.
    It basically just makes themselves feel better. But long as they stock their shelves with products from China they are supporting a country that provides abortions to control the population.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    This is nonsense ! Do you even know what a "right" is ? The "owner" is not discriminating against his employees, which would require that he selectively deny them something because of their race, color, creed, gender ! He is treating all his employees the same !

    At best, insurance-covered contraception is a "privilege". It can be taken away any number of ways by the judiciary or legislature. That means it is not a "right".

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    or their religion or his own religion, thanks for playing
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Understood, but HL is challenging the law because they disagree with it, and they can do that. If Obamacare, which is unconstitutional, was upheld by the SCOTUS, I see no reason why they wouldn't side with HL on this. The SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare basically states that the Constitution really doesn't matter. That sets up a scary precedent for the future.
    That's completely absurd. PACA was always on sound constitutional footing. It's a tax, it's always been a tax, and taxes have always been constitutional. End of story.

    This is completely different and nothing about the PACA ruling, which was sound, bears on this Hobby Lobby issue. Totally unrelated constitutional issues.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Okay ..

    .. Let's say the owner's religious tenet conflicts with your religious tenet, and, as is the topically relevant case, your religious tenet conflicts with the owner's religious tenet.

    How do you resolved that conflict between two conflicting tenets of two religions?

    You don't.

    You, if you're a wise SCOTUS, strip religion from both sides of the argument, and examine the matter at its foundational elemets, you examine the substance of the conflict ..

    .. And you settle the matter substantively.
    how do you resolve it?

    don't let an employer determine what is and isn't permitted to be covered by your health care - it should be separated from employment. Someone shouldn't be without adequate care because of who they work for when all they do is stock shelves and wipe piss off of toilet seats.

    they're not a religious organization and I'm sick of ****ing CORPORATE BUSINESSES pretending they're suddenly something more than what they ****ing are.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You dont understand discrimination. You are misusing the term.
    weird im only stating what courst have done about cases like this guess they got it wrong too lol

    so are you saying i could deny your wife to coming to a business function based solely on if i thought she wasnt really your wife based on my religion and thats ok? no it would not be that would be me discrimination against you
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Hello ......... anybody home ? Your concept of "fairness and discrimination" is not the standard that determines a "right".
    its not my concept, its reality and how the courts see it
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Screw the hobby lobby...pay for your own morning after pill.

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