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    Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope its the government protecting its citizens' freedoms, rights liberties and from discrimation and rights infringement
    But every citizen already has the freedom to purchase birth control, do they not? And HL's employees will still have the right to purchase birth control even if HL doesn't offer a health care plan that covers it, will they not?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What makes you think this approach wins you anything?
    Yeah - Hob Lob doesn't give THAT much of a **** and they need to quit this 'oh but we do' bullcrap.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    they most certainly will be if they discriminate against employes solely based on the religion of the owner, president etc.
    and then the state is doing nothing to their rights at all.
    That doesnt make sense. If I, as your employer, offer a health plan that doesnt cover contraceptives, how is that discriminating against you?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope its the government protecting its citizens' freedoms, rights liberties and from discrimation and rights infringement
    Explain this.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    1.)But every citizen already has the freedom to purchase birth control, do they not? 2.)And HL's employees will still have the right to purchase birth control even if HL doesn't offer a health care plan that covers it, will they not?
    1.) yes they do but thats meaningless to the issue.
    2.) yes they will but they will be forced to buy it on their own or do extra steps to obtain based on somebody else religious views, that would be discrimination and rights infringement.

    thats whats key, since HL admits its because of the bosses religious/owners/boards etc beliefs thats where they lose, if you admit that or it can be proven HL loses

    ability to get something another way is meaningless
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    But every citizen already has the freedom to purchase birth control, do they not? And HL's employees will still have the right to purchase birth control even if HL doesn't offer a health care plan that covers it, will they not?
    Indeed.

    All that HL corporate owners are saying is that they don't want, they the owners themselves, to be in any associated way a witting accomplice to killing prenatal humans, which they would be if they offered a medical plan that subsidizes the morning-after pill.

    They are simply taking themselves out of the complict accomplice role, and understandably so in this matter.

    They are not telling anyone else what they can and can't do on their own dime and time.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That doesnt make sense. If I, as your employer, offer a health plan that doesnt cover contraceptives, how is that discriminating against you?
    easy because you made your choice based on YOUR religion and it discrimination against mine
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Explain this.
    it explains itself, please be more specific with your questions.

    Do people have a right not to be unfairly discriminated against?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    they most certainly will be if they discriminate against employes solely based on the religion of the owner, president etc.
    and then the state is doing nothing to their rights at all.
    This is nonsense ! Do you even know what a "right" is ? The "owner" is not discriminating against his employees, which would require that he selectively deny them something because of their race, color, creed, gender ! He is treating all his employees the same !

    At best, insurance-covered contraception is a "privilege". It can be taken away any number of ways by the judiciary or legislature. That means it is not a "right".

    Where'd I put my hip-waders ......... BS gettin deep and silly here.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    easy because you made your choice based on YOUR religion and it discrimination against mine
    You dont understand discrimination. You are misusing the term.

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