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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) im fine with anybody trying to challenge anything
    2.) yep and i never implied otherwise
    3.) i agree but it most certainly has its limits and thats a fact. for example can St. Lukes hospital deny visitation of my wife if we werent married by the churches religion? of course not because their religion is meaningless and they cant use it to discriminate outside the religious realm.
    4.) actually by default it factually does because your rights end when you try to infringe on mine, see the example above

    The solution is simply if you cant play by public rules like everyone else dont get involved in the public realm.
    But what you are saying is that rights, religious or otherwise, cease to exist once a person enters the public realm. That is the only place where rights really matter.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post

    The solution is simply if you cant play by public rules like everyone else dont get involved in the public realm.
    This is the government getting involved in the private realm.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Hobby Lobby is a company. It has no freedom of religion because it has no religion. It's owners might, but they don't get to push their own personal religious biases on anyone through their company. If they don't want to personally use contraceptives, they're more than welcome to refrain from doing so.
    It would seem that all Hobby Lobby has to do is to write in their corporate bylaws that they will not in any way participate, either directly or indirectly, in the killing of humans, in any way, in the course of conducting any aspect of their business.

    That will eliminate religion from the issue and make it a corporate bylaw matter.

    Because the company is privately held, their chances of success, already fairly good, will thereby increase.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not so much on the employees, but they are pretending that because they believe in an imaginary friend in the sky, they get to opt out of rules that everyone else has to follow.
    Ok, was the BC portion written in the original law? or was this a mandate by HHS?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But what you are saying is that rights, religious or otherwise, cease to exist once a person enters the public realm. That is the only place where rights really matter.
    no thats not what im saying at all, next time please ask
    im saying the public rules/laws/rights of discrimination, unlawful practices (firing/hiring) polices etc are the same for EVERYONE.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is the government getting involved in the private realm.
    nope its the government protecting its citizens' freedoms, rights liberties and from discrimation and rights infringement
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no thats not what im saying at all, next time please ask
    im saying the public rules/laws/rights of discrimination, unlawful practices (firing/hiring) polices etc are the same for EVERYONE.
    But Hobby Lobby is not discriminating or violating anyones rights, so why should the state step in and violate theirs?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But Hobby Lobby is not discriminating or violating anyones rights, so why should the state step in and violate theirs?
    they most certainly will be if they discriminate against employes solely based on the religion of the owner, president etc.
    and then the state is doing nothing to their rights at all.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    These abortion-causing drugs go against our faith," said David Green, founder and chief executive officer of Hobby Lobby Stores Inc, in a call with reporters. "We simply cannot abandon our religious beliefs to comply with this mandate."

    Hobby Lobby sues government over healthcare mandate | Reuters

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What makes you think this approach wins you anything?
    Who said anything about winning you asked a question I replied with facts if you dont like them you can post your arguement with facts. Simple it a debate which you are more than welcome to engage in.

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