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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have 2 statements to make here:

    1) Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to impose your religious views on others. Your freedom of religion stops where my own freedom of religion begins.

    2) If Hobby Lobby wants to pay 1.3 million in fines per day, then by all means let them. It will help reduce our deficit a tiny bit. Thank you, Hobby Lobby, for volunteering to pay a little more.

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    Hah! They're full of **** you know - they oppose bc being covered but HATE when their employees get knocked up - because I swear - I've been pregnant 4 times but never felt so much hate as I did from Hob Lob . . . and I loved working there, too.

    AND they hire homosexuals left and right - which I DO support - but you know, if they want to beat the moral drum . . . they need to whack that mother****er. Bull****.

    They need to correct their hypocrisy they have flowing like a river.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1.)No, see the fact is that you implied that it was a right, it was shown to you more than 3 separate times.

    2.)The flaw here in logic is in your own false analogy. You set up something covered under the Civil rights Act, in the equal treatment of individuals in this country. Using the ACA to bully companies into providing a product, in this case insurance is bad enough, but then telling them that they must include within that coverage something that clearly is not a financial hardship to obtain separate of insurance coverage, IMHO, to poke a stick in the side of people of faith in this country is pure inflammatory. And it is as big a game as you saying that you didn't say something you clearly in black and white did....Ah well....I am not naive enough to believe that this conversation would be an honest one. I mean if you think about it, it can't be, because if it was, the conclusion about what our government is doing right now would be repugnant.
    1.)nope you just lied again that is not a fact by any means what so ever, if you disagree id LOVE for you to factually prove otherwise LMAO
    no matter how much you cry about it the fact is i never did that at all by any means thats what you WRONGLY and ILLOGICAL assumed and you were wrong

    2.) no flaw at all because im talking about rights infringement and the courts agree with me and not you

    please continue to make stuff up though its pretty funny watching you spin, just man up, show some integrity and admit you misspoke and assumed wrong
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Rules everyone else has to follow???

    Not these companies!

    List of Obamacare Exempt Companies
    They shouldn't be exempt either. A law is a law. It covers everyone or no one.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Hobby Lobby is a company. It has no freedom of religion because it has no religion. It's owners might, but they don't get to push their own personal religious biases on anyone through their company. If they don't want to personally use contraceptives, they're more than welcome to refrain from doing so.
    Then by what right does a company get to push its own personal biases as to behavior, wardrobe and speech or ethics?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Then by what right does a company get to push its own personal biases as to behavior, wardrobe and speech or ethics?
    They are not violating the law in regard to any of those things, hopefully.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    1.)First of all, the company is challenging the validity of the rules. 2.) Hopefully you understand that just because something is the law does not mean that it should be the law or is itself a just law. 3.)Secondly, religious freedom is not something that can only be practiced in ones closet.
    3.)The Constitution makes no distinction between public and private freedom of conscience any more than it does freedom of speech or freedom of the press.
    1.) im fine with anybody trying to challenge anything
    2.) yep and i never implied otherwise
    3.) i agree but it most certainly has its limits and thats a fact. for example can St. Lukes hospital deny visitation of my wife if we werent married by the churches religion? of course not because their religion is meaningless and they cant use it to discriminate outside the religious realm.
    4.) actually by default it factually does because your rights end when you try to infringe on mine, see the example above

    The solution is simply if you cant play by public rules like everyone else dont get involved in the public realm.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They shouldn't be exempt either. A law is a law. It covers everyone or no one.
    Are you really using the Constitution to justify a law that violates the Constitution by mandating that a private person/business either purchase a "private" good/service or pay a huge fine (tax?) to the gov't. ?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Hobby Lobby is a company. It has no freedom of religion because it has no religion. It's owners might, but they don't get to push their own personal religious biases on anyone through their company. If they don't want to personally use contraceptives, they're more than welcome to refrain from doing so.
    A company or corporation is a legal concept but one which individuals often use. They have a say in how that company is managed, who is hired and when, and also plan for the future, etc. This is all done by people.

    If the owners of the company do not wish to get involved in a government program, if it offends them, they should have the freedom to opt out, as many companies have already done with Obamacare. Of course the government can ignore the rights of the owners of the company, as they appear to be willing to do in this HL case, but it sets an awful precedent on the limits of freedom people might have.

    The government is also choosing who has to obey the law and who can ignore it. This is being done out in the open, for everyone to see, yet no one seems to raise any fuss at all. Instead their venom is directed against those who will dare challenge the government, and in the America today that is not a popular thing to do. In fact it can become quite risky.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They are not violating the law in regard to any of those things, hopefully.
    But what makes a law just? The fact that it exists? Or is there ome other standard?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They shouldn't be exempt either. A law is a law. It covers everyone or no one.
    They shouldn't be exempt perhaps, but they are.

    Why not go after the government to be sure that all companies follow the law, if you feel that strongly about justice and rights. Shouldn't that be where your complaints are directed?

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