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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What religious belief does Hobby Lobby "force" on its employee's?
    Not so much on the employees, but they are pretending that because they believe in an imaginary friend in the sky, they get to opt out of rules that everyone else has to follow.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What religious belief does Hobby Lobby "force" on its employee's?
    These abortion-causing drugs go against our faith," said David Green, founder and chief executive officer of Hobby Lobby Stores Inc, in a call with reporters. "We simply cannot abandon our religious beliefs to comply with this mandate."

    Hobby Lobby sues government over healthcare mandate | Reuters

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not so much on the employees, but they are pretending that because they believe in an imaginary friend in the sky, they get to opt out of rules that everyone else has to follow.
    yeah i never understood how people can falsely convince themselves that a company doesnt have to play by the rules everyone else does based on religion.

    once you leave the religious realm you play by public rules.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    seems you dont understand English at all, i never said healthcare is a right by any means what so ever. Im still waiting for you to point this out as the statment is a 100% lie
    Ill show you how broken your logic is

    if i own a business, you are my employee and you were black, gay, fat, old, a woman etc and i didnt let you use the front door to my business or go to the company party because i thought being black, gay, fat, old etc was wrong based on my religious beliefs did i violate your rights?

    the answer is yes i did

    now the follow up question, using YOUR wrong/broken logic, how did i violate your rights if going to a party or using a front door isnt a right?

    see how dumb, dishonest and broken that logic is?

    its ok, you were wrong, mistakes happened, thanks for playing

    No, see the fact is that you implied that it was a right, it was shown to you more than 3 separate times. The flaw here in logic is in your own false analogy. You set up something covered under the Civil rights Act, in the equal treatment of individuals in this country. Using the ACA to bully companies into providing a product, in this case insurance is bad enough, but then telling them that they must include within that coverage something that clearly is not a financial hardship to obtain separate of insurance coverage, IMHO, to poke a stick in the side of people of faith in this country is pure inflammatory. And it is as big a game as you saying that you didn't say something you clearly in black and white did....Ah well....I am not naive enough to believe that this conversation would be an honest one. I mean if you think about it, it can't be, because if it was, the conclusion about what our government is doing right now would be repugnant.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I was just pointing out that the Talibant and the religious right have alot in common
    They have nothing in common. Nada. Zip. It seems you know little of either..
    The great thing is the religious right will never take over this country! That is a fact. I see Hobby Lobby pushing a religous issue when they have no right to.
    They are not pushing a religious issue, the government is. Prior to the government getting involved Hobby Lobby and its employees were quite happy.

    However, just like Westboro Baptist they can petition to become a religious organization and then they can make their case if it is granted. Plus they will be tax exempt as well. However, this country was founded on freedom of religion. No employer can force that belief on any employee period.
    Hobby Lobby is not forcing their beliefs on anyone. Where is their freedom of religion?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    These abortion-causing drugs go against our faith," said David Green, founder and chief executive officer of Hobby Lobby Stores Inc, in a call with reporters. "We simply cannot abandon our religious beliefs to comply with this mandate."

    Hobby Lobby sues government over healthcare mandate | Reuters

    Any other question j-mac stupid or otherwise?
    But it was not a stupid question and it is not an example of them forcing their religious views on anyone. If the employees and Hobby Lobby want a policy that covers things that the owner of Hobby Lobby finds offensive and chooses not to cover, they are free to find other employment.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    This is an interesting case.

    As usual, covering the controversy in religion is likely to yield an insignificant judgment by the SCOTUS.

    But if we can strip religious allusions from the matter, we're left with what the matter simply boils down to: the owners are objecting to being in any way an accomplice to kiling living prenatal humans.

    The owners are basically saying that if they are forced to provide coverage that includes the morning-after pill, a pill that kills newly conceived living humans, they will then be an accomplice to abortion on demand (abortion by chemical process), abortion on demand which, by accurate appeal to term, includes unjustified homicide.

    It may be against the religion of the owners to commit, in any associated way, unjustified homicide.

    This case will also test how far our SCOTUS judges have come in dealing with harsh realities associated with abortion, such as the bigotry of ageism (http://www.debatepolitics.com/aborti...post1060675136).

    But if the tack from either side is to emphasize religion, that either the owners are forcing their religion on others or that the owners are having their religious rights infringed, the SCOTUS will then avoid the heart of the matter: that abortion kills living humans.

    It will be interesting to see which presentations the legal counsels and jurists make.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hobby Lobby is not forcing their beliefs on anyone. Where is their freedom of religion?
    Hobby Lobby is a company. It has no freedom of religion because it has no religion. It's owners might, but they don't get to push their own personal religious biases on anyone through their company. If they don't want to personally use contraceptives, they're more than welcome to refrain from doing so.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not so much on the employees, but they are pretending that because they believe in an imaginary friend in the sky, they get to opt out of rules that everyone else has to follow.
    Rules everyone else has to follow???

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    yeah i never understood how people can falsely convince themselves that a company doesnt have to play by the rules everyone else does based on religion.

    once you leave the religious realm you play by public rules.
    First of all, the company is challenging the validity of the rules. Hopefully you understand that just because something is the law does not mean that it should be the law or is itself a just law. Secondly, religious freedom is not something that can only be practiced in ones closet. The Constitution makes no distinction between public and private freedom of conscience any more than it does freedom of speech or freedom of the press.

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