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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    There is a huge difference between phrasing it such that someone is "allowing" me to be forced to pay for their contraception, when the fact is that they are "demanding" that I pay for such. It amazes me that such is so difficult to accept.
    Nobody is demanding anything, all policies that you can buy are going to include such coverage at no additional cost to you. It's not like you're being charged extra for something you don't want. It is simply present whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

    The analogy that produces the hypocrisy is that such as Sandra Fuxalot demands that I pay for her contraception, but then feigns the liberal outrage that I would expect some standard of performance from her in other areas related to birth control.
    She's not demanding that *YOU* pay for anything. You are paying for insurance as a part of your employee's benefit package. You do not get to pick and choose what is a part of that package. It's not like the money comes straight out of your pocket, your part in the insurance premium doesn't change whether your employees take advantage of it or not.

    I am very libertarian on such. I do not care if Fuxalot wants to fuxalot. What I do object to is having to pay to enable her own elective recklessness, much less the consequences of such. I want nothing to do with either, and feel I have zero obligation as well. A view chimed by many here who are not nanny-state liberals.
    If you were really libertarian, you wouldn't want to pay for insurance at all, it should *ALL* be up to the employee and you're not complaining about all the other things included in the insurance package that you're paying for, so clearly this has nothing to do with being libertarian and everything to do with religious stupidity.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    *sigh* Games...That's all we get anymore in these boards....

    You said:



    There, I even highlighted the claim of yours. Now answer the question.
    seems you dont understand English at all, i never said healthcare is a right by any means what so ever. Im still waiting for you to point this out as the statment is a 100% lie
    Ill show you how broken your logic is

    if i own a business, you are my employee and you were black, gay, fat, old, a woman etc and i didnt let you use the front door to my business or go to the company party because i thought being black, gay, fat, old etc was wrong based on my religious beliefs did i violate your rights?

    the answer is yes i did

    now the follow up question, using YOUR wrong/broken logic, how did i violate your rights if going to a party or using a front door isnt a right?

    see how dumb, dishonest and broken that logic is?

    its ok, you were wrong, mistakes happened, thanks for playing
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "the company isnt obligated to provide a morning after pill?, they are obligated to not infringe on rights of employes though and they cant decide what insurance to offer based solely on religious beliefs"

    Really? so what exactly does that mean?
    it most certainly doesn't mean healthcare is a right LMAO
    i even state the company is NOT obligated to provide the pill, what part dont you get
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    This law does not force American citizens to pay for contraceptives. This law requires employers to include the morning after pill in their health care plans, to me there is quite a difference in the context of the phrase.
    If the federal government can forcibly change the benefits previously agreed to by the employer and the employee then that is quite a precedent for governments yet to come. It will make it very difficult for companies to plan ahead and, once again, make it more difficult for people to do business in the United States.

    Having federal ideologies trump the right of employers and entrepreneurs may seem like a good idea to those who have never met a payroll, such as the current president, but it certainly discourages business, investment, and those who expect their individual rights to be respected..

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    it most certainly doesn't mean healthcare is a right LMAO
    i even state the company is NOT obligated to provide the pill, what part dont you get
    You damn well know you implied the morning after pill was a right, now you're just trying to back-peddle on your position because it's illogical and nothing more than a selfish baseless expectation.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    you damn well know you implied the morning after pill was a right, now you're just trying to back-peddle on your position because it's illogical and nothing more than a selfish baseless expectation.
    no i did nothing of the sort, i never even came close lol
    its something you are making up because you have no other logical, rational or factual path to take. you anger shows this lol

    if you disagree please show me where i said the nonsense you are talking about

    please read post 322 and you will see why you are factually 100% wrong
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Comparing a person's belief that birth control is wrong and not wanting to provide a benefit for it is hardly comparable with the practices of the taliban Please tell me what religious beliefs are being forced on someone when the owner of their own private company decides that they don't want to run their business in a way that conflicts with their beliefs. They can't stop someone from getting birth control or preventing the individual from purchasing their own insurance plan that covers what they want, they are just choosing not to provide benefits that conflict with their beliefs.
    Forcing religious beliefs on other is something the Taliban has done for years. This is what the right has been trying to do for the last 30 years. This country was not founded on any paticular religion. Therefore Hobby Lobby is a for profit company not a religious organization so they have no say what so ever. However, once they start pressing religion on their workers that is a problem thus the fine.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Forcing religious beliefs on other is something the Taliban has done for years. This is what the right has been trying to do for the last 30 years. This country was not founded on any paticular religion. Therefore Hobby Lobby is a for profit company not a religious organization so they have no say what so ever. However, once they start pressing religion on their workers that is a problem thus the fine.

    How Religious Bullies Have Recently Sought to Impose Their Views on Others, in Pakistan and Here in the U.S. | Marci A. Hamilton | Verdict | Legal Analysis and Commentary from Justia
    The United States is now as bad as Pakistan, huh?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The United States is now as bad as Pakistan, huh?

    The education system in the United States has failed the country, and all the decades of good that went before it.

    A state can recover from many wounds, but not from an ignorant populace.
    I was just pointing out that the Talibant and the religious right have alot in common. The great thing is the religious right will never take over this country! That is a fact. I see Hobby Lobby pushing a religous issue when they have no right to. However, just like Westboro Baptist they can petition to become a religious organization and then they can make their case if it is granted. Plus they will be tax exempt as well. However, this country was founded on freedom of religion. No employer can force that belief on any employee period.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    What religious belief does Hobby Lobby "force" on its employee's?
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