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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That's exactly what the law does. It leaves the choice of using birth contol up to the individual not a Corporation.
    That is just stupid. No one involved is stopping people from using birth control.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That's exactly what the law does. It leaves the choice of using birth contol up to the individual not a Corporation.
    Don't people own that corporation? Are there those still trying to sell the idea that corporations aren't made up of people?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have 2 statements to make here:

    1) Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to impose your religious views on others. Your freedom of religion stops where my own freedom of religion begins.

    2) If Hobby Lobby wants to pay 1.3 million in fines per day, then by all means let them. It will help reduce our deficit a tiny bit. Thank you, Hobby Lobby, for volunteering to pay a little more.

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    I'm an atheist and as such I find nothing more despicable than the government enforcing religious principles. However, the exact opposite is happening here. The government is using the threat of violence to force private citizens to comply with a law that directly violates their religion. That I find disgusting.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, they DON'T have the right to refuse it. It is LAW, so far upheld by the Supreme Court, although this case is going to be on the docket later this year.
    So just because it's a law, that also makes it just? If they made a law that the president gets to bang your wife, would you be cool with that? I mean, it would be law.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Or they could just keep their noses out of their employees bedrooms.
    If you are forcing me to cover your birth control that puts me firmly in your bedroom. Practice some logic, ok?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That's exactly what the law does. It leaves the choice of using birth contol up to the individual not a Corporation.
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Or they could just keep their noses out of their employees bedrooms.
    Not quite. Hobby lobby pays their employees a salary. They are free to do with that salary what they wish. They could buy large, spinning, riveted dildos with it, that's their choice. The company being forced to provide the large, spinning, riveted dildos by threat of government violence, on the other hand, is a completely different story.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Not quite. Hobby lobby pays their employees a salary. They are free to do with that salary what they wish. They could buy large, spinning, riveted dildos with it, that's their choice. The company providing the large, spinning, riveted dildos is a completely different story.
    The company is providing health care. What if that is against their religion too?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How is your free exercise of religion not impacted if you, as an employer must provide a benefit against your religious beliefs to others, or pay a fine not to do so? The SCOTUS will hear this case and that fine will never be paid. Giving the gov't power to order anyone to pay for a private service that they do not wish to offer, or to buy a private product that they do not wish to have should be unconstitutional. The silly opinion of 5/4 of our nine robed umpires that the income tax law allows for added taxation based upon what you did not "voluntarily" spend your income on is absurd. Today that may be only private medical care insurance (details to be specified later), tomorrow it might be little "green" electric carts and solar/wind chargres. Allowing the gov't to mandate personal or business income allocation for any private product/service is way out of Constitutional bounds.
    That begs the question of what counts as a religion or a religious belief for policy purposes. The Romans judged such things based on the antiquity of the tradition. If the United States defines any belief a person asserts is religious to be religious belief, than any number of bizarre or unethical behaviors may receive constitutional protection.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The company is providing health care. What if that is against their religion too?
    The company is providing health care, and I don't know any religion that considers health care a violation. The morning after pill is a pill to cure the "pregnancy disease" in their minds, which violates their religion. I am absolutely baffled as to why the hobby lobby workers can't simply buy it for themselves in the off chance that they need it.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That begs the question of what counts as a religion or a religious belief for policy purposes. The Romans judged such things based on the antiquity of the tradition. If the United States defines any belief a person asserts is religious to count as a religious belief, than any number of bizarre or unethical behaviors may receive constitutional protection.
    Then again, if the gov't refained from making rediculous, unfunded mandates that wouldn't be an issue at all.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The company is providing health care. What if that is against their religion too?
    Why is that a good question? There is no justifiable reason to compel them to provide it.

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