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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    When the law requires that you should, then she should demand that you do.

    There is nothing wrong with the law what so ever, so please don't compare it to the civil rights movement or the revolutonary war because it is not even close to them by ay means.

    It is simply part of her healthcare and if you are against contraceptives then don't use them. If she wishes to use them then all the more power to her. I don't think you or I as men for that matter can really understand the burden that is a pregnancy. Nor do you have to pay for it in this case its the employer who already a health plan for many workers.
    I guess that means you would have went right along with the Nuremburg Laws, too.

    This law forces American citizens, to use their private assets, to fund something that they deem as immoral. How anyone could claim there is nothing wrong with this law boggles my mind to no end.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess that means you would have went right along with the Nuremburg Laws, too.

    This law forces American citizens, to use their private assets, to fund something that they deem as immoral. How anyone could claim there is nothing wrong with this law boggles my mind to no end.
    Well I didn't say to not use the Nuremburg laws as as example there is still an extreme EXTREME DIFFERENCE between the two, but it appears you consider the united states similar to Nazi Germany in regards to our legislation so I'd lik to hear how you figure that.

    This law does not force American citizens to pay for contraceptives. This law requires employers to include the morning after pill in their health care plans, to me there is quite a difference in the context of the phrase.

    And also could you tell me why they consider these pills immoral?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Well I didn't say to not use the Nuremburg laws as as example there is still an extreme EXTREME DIFFERENCE between the two, but it appears you consider the united states similar to Nazi Germany in regards to our legislation so I'd lik to hear how you figure that.
    I don't see a difference. I see different levels of barbarity, but an illegal, immoral law is an illegal, immoral law.

    This law does not force American citizens to pay for contraceptives. This law requires employers to include the morning after pill in their health care plans, to me there is quite a difference in the context of the phrase.
    Health care plans that are paid for with the private assets of American citizens.
    Yes, they are. Hobby Lobby's assets belong to Hobby Lobby, a company owned by American citizens, who in turn own the assets.

    And also could you tell me why they consider these pills immoral?
    They claim the morning after pill goes against their religious beliefs. That's good enough for me. Go read the 1st Amendment.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    We'll you seemed to have been repulsed at the concept of law before.
    The concept of law is a dangerous one and not one I take easily. Everyone has reason to pause when considering more laws or another outlet of power for the government and only a fool would say otherwise. If the government is fight right violations I can tolerate it, but I can not tolerate anything else with any amount of ease.

    A person's principles should be secondary to the law.
    That is a rather dangerous view for the country as a whole to follow.Simply giving in to the law is not how a free country manages its own freedom. It is in fact, only how it loses it.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Well I didn't say to not use the Nuremburg laws as as example there is still an extreme EXTREME DIFFERENCE between the two, but it appears you consider the united states similar to Nazi Germany in regards to our legislation so I'd lik to hear how you figure that.

    This law does not force American citizens to pay for contraceptives. This law requires employers to include the morning after pill in their health care plans, to me there is quite a difference in the context of the phrase.

    And also could you tell me why they consider these pills immoral?
    Ah, context....Semantics....Whether or not you have to come out of pocket directly at the local drug store, or are forced to pay for it through insurance mandates that you must purchase, it is semantics....A disingenuous game at best.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Get a effin' grip dude.

    This is just more twisted BS perception from the left wing.

    Why cant the women buy their own birth control and how is Hobby Lobby's insistence on not paying for the morning after pill imposing their religion ?

    Some chick wants to kill her baby, Hobby Lobby or I shouldnt have to pay for her lack of responsibillity.
    Except it's not killing her baby. It's CONTRACEPTION. The fetus is never made. This crap about it being abortion is just more BS spin from the religious ayatollahs and their non-thinking fanatic followers.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Except it's not killing her baby. It's CONTRACEPTION. The fetus is never made. This crap about it being abortion is just more BS spin from the religious ayatollahs and their non-thinking fanatic followers.
    You could just make it mandatory coverage for health insurance policies and take it out of anybody's hands but it is more fun to be able to mock people who don't share your values.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Except it's not killing her baby. It's CONTRACEPTION. The fetus is never made. This crap about it being abortion is just more BS spin from the religious ayatollahs and their non-thinking fanatic followers.
    You assert that contraception should be mandated as "free", under PPACA, yet not life saving drugs, such as anticoagulant, blood pressure, or collesterol controlling medications. That is what I just cannot understand. Subsidizing medical procedure/product A yet not medical procedure/product B is clearly a political, not a medical, decision - to deny that is being both rediculous and dishonest.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Except it's not killing her baby. It's CONTRACEPTION. The fetus is never made. This crap about it being abortion is just more BS spin from the religious ayatollahs and their non-thinking fanatic followers.
    It ends the pregnancy and inhibits implantation.. No real way to deny that.

    You can't very well move the goal posts of pregnancy either like people are doing with Plan B. I have no idea why you think you can get away with moving the goal post to implantation, but apparently you do. If you were honest you would admit that scientists have confirmed a new human being is created at the moment the sperm and the egg join (fertilization), who is completely different from his/her mother. Guess what already passed? You know what that makes you? Wrong.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Not only is it crazy, but it's also expensive.
    its expensive NOW, but eventually its going to be impossible to fund even after the Dems scratch and slime their way into your pockets.

    There are 2 dozen States refusing to set up pools. I think its a brilliant move because if there is no Local Govt Pool it fqlls back on the Feds to pay the premiums for all the new dependents that qualify.

    Hillarious. The Feds Broke.

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