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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Are you an anarchist?
    Not relevant to the question you were asked, but no.

    And because of that they have to pay over a million dollars everyday in a fine.
    Yes, standing for your principles can cost you. If more people were willing to do such a thing we would undoubtedly be more free.

    Hobby Lobby is not person it is a company. The individuals that Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover are the victims.
    The owners just went and replaced themselves with machines! Holy crap...

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no not at all because that part is meaningless to the word hypocrisy


    yes people are fighting for things to be covered but there would be no force by the government in one case and in the other there would be force


    were minorities/women DEMANDING equal rights and and protections but at the same time hypocrites against others freedoms? of course not because that logic is broken and doent fit the definition of hypocrisy.

    AGain like the other poster if you disagree by alll means shows us factual proof its hypocrisy.

    no clue who Sandra Fuxalot but she is meaningless to the debate that the poster is factually inaccurate and illogical.
    There is a huge difference between phrasing it such that someone is "allowing" me to be forced to pay for their contraception, when the fact is that they are "demanding" that I pay for such. It amazes me that such is so difficult to accept.

    The analogy that produces the hypocrisy is that such as Sandra Fuxalot demands that I pay for her contraception, but then feigns the liberal outrage that I would expect some standard of performance from her in other areas related to birth control.

    I am very libertarian on such. I do not care if Fuxalot wants to fuxalot. What I do object to is having to pay to enable her own elective recklessness, much less the consequences of such. I want nothing to do with either, and feel I have zero obligation as well. A view chimed by many here who are not nanny-state liberals.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    It is not the company's right to break the law. No one is above the law.
    Incorrect. See our Founders for a refresher. Check out Rosa Parks too.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    The law was put into action by congress, and considered constitutional by the Supreme Court. Considered immoral by some yes, but not illegitimte.

    The Hobby Lobby in this case is more similar to the bus company that segregated its seats rather than the actual citizens that are inconvienced.

    As the supplier of the health insurance if required by law they should have to supply the morning after pill (which for the record isnt at all similar to an aborton in ethics or procedure), it is up to the individual citizen to decide if they wish to use it or not.
    The SCOTUS has not yet ruled on this issue. There are numerous lawsuits moving forward on it. To include one by Tom Monaghan, the founder of Domino's Pizza, who while he sold that company to Bain Capital, still represents such as Domino's Farms outside Ann Arbor, and other entities.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Actually if you read the first sentence of this article it expresses how Hobby Lobby lost its appeal with the Supreme Court. How about that?
    Hobby Lobby, defying health law, refuses to cover morning-after pill - latimes.com
    No. that is not what happened. It was not an "appeal". Hobby Lobby essentially petitioned directly to SCOTUS, which rarely grants such without cases first coming up through the entire court system. There are cases currently moving through the system, and SCOTUS will likely eventually get one to pick from, which it will choose, usually because such case represents the best argument to illuminate the issue.

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    Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    There is a huge difference between phrasing it such that someone is "allowing" me to be forced to pay for their contraception, when the fact is that they are "demanding" that I pay for such. It amazes me that such is so difficult to accept.

    The analogy that produces the hypocrisy is that such as Sandra Fuxalot demands that I pay for her contraception, but then feigns the liberal outrage that I would expect some standard of performance from her in other areas related to birth control.

    I am very libertarian on such. I do not care if Fuxalot wants to fuxalot. What I do object to is having to pay to enable her own elective recklessness, much less the consequences of such. I want nothing to do with either, and feel I have zero obligation as well. A view chimed by many here who are not nanny-state liberals.
    Game over.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I never heard of Hobby Lobby before this thread, and I still don't know where the merchandise that they sell is made. Do you?
    Craft stuff (Flowers, frames, cloth, etc.), it's like a "Michael's" only bigger.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not relevant to the question you were asked, but no.
    We'll you seemed to have been repulsed at the concept of law before.

    Yes, standing for your principles can cost you. If more people were willing to do such a thing we would undoubtedly be more free.
    A person's principles should be secondary to the law.

    owners just went and replaced themselves with machines! Holy crap...
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No. that is not what happened. It was not an "appeal". Hobby Lobby essentially petitioned directly to SCOTUS, which rarely grants such without cases first coming up through the entire court system. There are cases currently moving through the system, and SCOTUS will likely eventually get one to pick from, which it will choose, usually because such case represents the best argument to illuminate the issue.
    I'm sorry if i was incorrect. Could you give me link to article that states that I'd like to read it.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    There is a huge difference between phrasing it such that someone is "allowing" me to be forced to pay for their contraception, when the fact is that they are "demanding" that I pay for such. It amazes me that such is so difficult to accept.

    The analogy that produces the hypocrisy is that such as Sandra Fuxalot demands that I pay for her contraception, but then feigns the liberal outrage that I would expect some standard of performance from her in other areas related to birth control.

    I am very libertarian on such. I do not care if Fuxalot wants to fuxalot. What I do object to is having to pay to enable her own elective recklessness, much less the consequences of such. I want nothing to do with either, and feel I have zero obligation as well. A view chimed by many here who are not nanny-state liberals.
    When the law requires that you should, then she should demand that you do.

    There is nothing wrong with the law what so ever, so please don't compare it to the civil rights movement or the revolutonary war because it is not even close to them by ay means.

    It is simply part of her healthcare and if you are against contraceptives then don't use them. If she wishes to use them then all the more power to her. I don't think you or I as men for that matter can really understand the burden that is a pregnancy. Nor do you have to pay for it in this case its the employer who already a health plan for many workers.
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