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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.)sure did because its true
    constitution and discrimination laws etc are public rules, this is common sense and a fact
    2.) you are free to have that opinion but they are the law

    i like the idea of my government protecting people from discriminaiton
    You don't know what "public company" means. Do you?

    I like the idea of the government protecting everyone from racial descrimination, however racial quotas are stupid.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1.)You don't know what "public company" means. Do you?

    I like the idea of the government protecting everyone from racial discrimination, however racial quotas are stupid.
    1.)yep i do and good thin i never called it a public company i said public realm, public rules, public business practice etc.
    but either way this changes NOTHING i said or makes it inaccurate, they do in fact have to play by public rules whether they are privately owned or not

    2.) good thing quotas are illegal then and not law
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) i agree but we can only dream that government works this way one day
    Yea I doubt any of this will happen in my lifetime or that of my kids/future grand kids.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    2.) well just saying 30$ or more a month could be out of the range of people, especially we are talking about lower income according to you
    Lower income people will be covered by Medicaid, so it's no worry for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    3.) so you suggest that people just save for all the things that might go wrong with them? again who can do this?
    and this is based on you GUESSING you know what it might cost a person

    im sorry but i think thats unrealistic when talking about elective healthcare, ok you save for mental health but not degenerative spinal disorder? now what? or not some rare eye tumor not covered? now what?
    Not at all, insurance still exists.
    You save for the common stuff, like basic meds, regular visits and some of the other cost sharing things.

    Insurance would still exist to cover the major stuff (degenerative spinal disorders, cancer, etc.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    4.) that be great but i was just pointing out the cost that are in place now and how its unrealistic to think people can just cover themselves
    Not in total, no.
    People would pay for the minor stuff, insurance pays for the major.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    5.) agreed but basically you want lots of changes (i do to) but im not going to attack this without other changes being made first.

    i do like some of your suggestion though for sure and i have them myself.
    Some already exist like (Medicaid for poor people, at least starting this year, iirc) others need to be revised, like optional mandates.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.)yep i do and good thin i never called it a public company i said public realm, public rules, public business practice etc.
    but either way this changes NOTHING i said or makes it inaccurate, they do in fact have to play by public rules whether they are privately owned or not

    Now you're learning.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea I doubt any of this will happen in my lifetime or that of my kids/future grand kids.



    Lower income people will be covered by Medicaid, so it's no worry for them.



    1.)Not at all, insurance still exists.
    You save for the common stuff, like basic meds, regular visits and some of the other cost sharing things.

    Insurance would still exist to cover the major stuff (degenerative spinal disorders, cancer, etc.)




    2.)Not in total, no.
    People would pay for the minor stuff, insurance pays for the major.



    Some already exist like (Medicaid for poor people, at least starting this year, iirc) others need to be revised, like optional mandates.
    1.) in the system we've been talking about a person like yourself may choose not to pay for mental health or rare eye cancer or insurance companies could drop this coverage because they cant afforded it, how to you cover people and not spread it out.

    2.)again not in the system you want, not everybody paying for stuff they dont want, so by default to be covered everybody would have to pay for it all or buy extra to pay for the other big stuff

    what im addressing is what you want, if you dont pay for mental health and those costs arent passed to you anyway that means the people that want that have to pay crazy prices
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Now you're learning.
    good job on the back pedal since i said this the WHOLE TIME
    smart move
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) in the system we've been talking about a person like yourself may choose not to pay for mental health or rare eye cancer or insurance companies could drop this coverage because they cant afforded it, how to you cover people and not spread it out.

    2.)again not in the system you want, not everybody paying for stuff they dont want, so by default to be covered everybody would have to pay for it all or buy extra to pay for the other big stuff
    Based on the old standard of insurance, insurance covers the majors (rare/expensive diseases), you cover most of the minors.
    You can elect to have minors covered, it would be an optional mandate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    what im addressing is what you want, if you dont pay for mental health and those costs arent passed to you anyway that means the people that want that have to pay crazy prices
    The prices for mental health care for most people are really affordable.
    Counseling and medication, tend to be the most common methods of prescribed treatment.

    Institutionalization, could possibly be a mandate, depending on the circumstances.

    It's not total optional insurance, but a blend.
    If the majors weren't covered, there's no point in having insurance at all.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Based on the old standard of insurance, insurance covers the majors (rare/expensive diseases), you cover most of the minors.
    You can elect to have minors covered, it would be an optional mandate.



    1.)The prices for mental health care for most people are really affordable.
    Counseling and medication, tend to be the most common methods of prescribed treatment.

    Institutionalization, could possibly be a mandate, depending on the circumstances.

    It's not total optional insurance, but a blend.
    2.)If the majors weren't covered, there's no point in having insurance at all.
    1.) but they wouldnt be if they became elective or if 90% of people didnt buy that insurance right?
    2.) i agree but isnt that what you said you want, you are made you have to pay for stuff you dont need, or you think you dont need
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) but they wouldnt be if they became elective or if 90% of people didnt buy that insurance right?
    I wasn't totally clear.
    The blend is what I'm shooting for, I assumed that the majors would be covered, because that's the point of insurance.

    The minors for most people would include regular doctors visits, contraceptives, mental health, pregnancy (not complications from pregnancy), etc.
    Those I would have an optional mandates, meaning that the insurance provider has to offer them as optional services, for the insurance buyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    2.) i agree but isnt that what you said you want, you are made you have to pay for stuff you dont need, or you think you dont need
    There are some things I can never use, 1 being female birth control and another being substance abuse treatment.
    I can't use female birth control and I don't drink alcohol or use drugs.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You need to get out of that corner you painted yourself into.
    Religious Discrimination is as illegal as any other type of discrimination and private companies are not immune from prosecution for it.
    I painted myself in no such corner. Note I said generally is not subject to the requirements. For example under Title 7; Unless an employer is an exempt religious organization, the employer is required to reasonably accommodate its employee’s sincerely held religious beliefs in the workplace, unless such an accommodation would impose an undue burden on the employer’s business.

    EEOC defines undue burden as: To prove undue hardship, the employer will need to demonstrate how much cost or disruption a proposed accommodation would involve. An employer cannot rely on potential or hypothetical hardship when faced with a religious obligation that conflicts with scheduled work, but rather should rely on objective information. A mere assumption that many more people with the same religious practices as the individual being accommodated may also seek accommodation is not evidence of undue hardship.

    Now people are fired all the time over their opinions (free speech) at work. Constitution does not apply to private companies.. So if your employer reads what you type on this forum and they don't like it.. you could be fired. Now go sit in a corner with your buddy.
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