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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, they DON'T have the right to refuse it. It is LAW, so far upheld by the Supreme Court, although this case is going to be on the docket later this year.
    It isn't just their right, but also their patritoic duty as Americans to defy any law that not only violate the Constitution, but the basic principles that this great nation was founded on.

    I can't wait to see the government wet it's pants when large corporations like Hobby Lobby splinter into hundreds of individual 49 person corporations, making them totally immune from ANY of the requirements of Obamacare. That's going to be hillarious!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    1.)My opinion, is that there won't be anymore or less births, than there already were in the groups already covered by insurance.



    2.)It's shifting the costs from people who paid out of pocket, to all of the insured.
    Now the per item, per person cost may be little, but that's the whole problem.

    All these little incremental costs add up to, one big cost, the rising premium.



    3.)Yea, but they effect the behavior of the individual.
    I think health insurance should move back to a life insurance pay out system.
    People will want to shop around, ask for prices, etc.

    Costs are so high, partially because there is no clear pricing standard and people don't ask.



    True.
    I just personally hate the idea that, I'm covered for mental health (which I don't need), substance abuse (when I don't drink or use drugs), pregnancy (when it's impossible for me to get pregnant), female birth control (which I can never use), etc.
    I don't need any of these things, yet I'm required to have and pay for them.



    People really don't understand the amount of legislation, that has altered our health insurance market, it's crazy.
    1.) this may be very true, i dont agree but you could be right but thats not a good reason to not insure it.
    2.) I agree costs do add up but again vs all the other costs? i dont see the trade off or benefit of not covering it in this case, thats just my opinion but im just saying
    3.) well i agree it be awesome if there was a shop around ability, that be great create a REAL competition and REAL standards
    4.) but one day you might (mental health) isnt that what insurance is for?

    and again if everything was a check list i think that would make it worse not better unless we even had more regulation of the insurance companies because in the end you would STILL pay for stuff.


    what would happen is 90% of americans didnt pay for mental health and the only way to offer that insurance to the 10% that wanted it was to make it coast 2K a month?

    now what? **** em?

    no matter what the costs are going to be spread out thats the only way the system works.

    wouldn't your system just make the things that people held little value you in crazy expensive and they simply get screwed?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.)yes privately own but a public business so they have to play by public rules, its common sense
    AKA You don't know the difference between public and private. Well that explains your confusion and rambling posts that don't seem to make any logical sense whatsoever, at least.
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    2.) this is broken logci apply it to an employer not having handicap accessibility or not hiring latins or woman
    No. There are specifics laws that have been enacted regarding things like racial/sexual/disability discrimination. None of them force employers to provide birth control to their employees.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.)yes privately own but a public business so they have to play by public rules, its common sense

    You didn't really post that. Right?

    2.) this is broken logci apply it to an employer not having handicap accessibility or not hiring latins or woman

    they cant work else where right?

    tell me that duh line again because its wrong.
    Those laws are stupid, too.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    1.)AKA You don't know the difference between public and private. Well that explains your confusion and rambling posts that don't seem to make any logical sense whatsoever, at least.


    No. There are specifics laws that have been enacted regarding things like racial/sexual/disability discrimination. None of them force employers to provide birth control to their employees.
    1.) wrong again, they are privately own and they operate on PUBLIC rules aka the constitution
    2.) yes you are right and the supreme court decided this is also discrimination thanks LMAO

    if you disagree plese show me where they do not have to play by public rules, thanks
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) this may be very true, i dont agree but you could be right but thats not a good reason to not insure it.
    It's a good reason to not mandate it.
    Having it as an optional mandate, no problem for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    2.) I agree costs do add up but again vs all the other costs? i dont see the trade off or benefit of not covering it in this case, thats just my opinion but im just saying
    What I'm getting at is, there likely isn't much, if any benefit of covering BC, at least not like this.
    Birth control is pretty cheap for the individual, Orthotricyclen is about $30 a month retail.

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    3.) well i agree it be awesome if there was a shop around ability, that be great create a REAL competition and REAL standards
    That's largely what I want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    4.) but one day you might (mental health) isnt that what insurance is for?


    and again if everything was a check list i think that would make it worse not better unless we even had more regulation of the insurance companies because in the end you would STILL pay for stuff.


    now what? **** em?

    what would happen is 90% of americans didnt pay for mental health and the only way to offer that insurance to the 10% that wanted it was to make it coast 2K a month?
    I'd pay out of pocket, I assume the greater risk and put cash away for future health expenses.
    Plus, at least for me personally, I have supplemental plans for my regular insurance policy, that pay cash.

    Mental health care, is probably the one, that's pretty affordable uninsured.
    With the exception of institutionalization, but most plans limit that a lot already.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no matter what the costs are going to be spread out thats the only way the system works.

    wouldn't your system just make the things that people held little value you in crazy expensive and they simply get screwed?
    It's supposed to spread the costs to a specific risk group.
    Constantly broadening the risk group, may temporarily lower prices, but in the future, could cause them to increase, especially if you broaden benefits.
    Without a good cost sharing system, costs go up and away.

    I don't believe it would.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1.)You didn't really post that. Right?



    2.)Those laws are stupid, too.
    1.)sure did because its true
    constitution and discrimination laws etc are public rules, this is common sense and a fact
    2.) you are free to have that opinion but they are the law

    i like the idea of my government protecting people from discriminaiton
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    1.)It's a good reason to not mandate it.
    Having it as an optional mandate, no problem for me.



    2.)What I'm getting at is, there likely isn't much, if any benefit of covering BC, at least not like this.
    Birth control is pretty cheap for the individual, Orthotricyclen is about $30 a month retail.







    3.)I'd pay out of pocket, I assume the greater risk and put cash away for future health expenses.
    Plus, at least for me personally, I have supplemental plans for my regular insurance policy, that pay cash.

    Mental health care, is probably the one, that's pretty affordable uninsured.
    With the exception of institutionalization, but most plans limit that a lot already.




    4.)It's supposed to spread the costs to a specific risk group.
    Constantly broadening the risk group, may temporarily lower prices, but in the future, could cause them to increase, especially if you broaden benefits.
    Without a good cost sharing system, costs go up and away.

    I don't believe it would.
    1.) i may agree with this but in this case im ok with because of the opinion i have of saving it "might" provide, but i could be admittedly I could be wrong about those savings
    2.) for me 30$ a month isnt a big deal, i cant speak for everyone else

    also thats if that women can actually use that type of BC

    3.) how would you know you are going to need this mental health care to put away for it?????
    how many people can afford to do what you are doing?

    when i was in between jobs i shopped around for health care the cheapest i could get that actually offered protection (and it still sucked) for me and my daughter was 585 a month.

    4.) I agree cost are going to get spread and go up no matter what but in your system i see a possible of health providers of simply not carrying things or the cost skyrocketing in that one group. I wouldnt want that.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) i may agree with this but in this case im ok with because of the opinion i have of saving it "might" provide, but i could be admittedly I could be wrong about those savings
    Once it makes it to the legislative process, we need to be certain, it will be more cost efficient.

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    2.) for me 30$ a month isnt a big deal, i cant speak for everyone else

    also thats if that women can actually use that type of BC
    That's true, but when you look at most individuals/families costs of living, it's marginal at best.
    The most expensive birth control, besides sterilization is the IUD, which is around $1000, iirc.
    It's effective for 5 years.

    That's more cost effective, but has a higher, up front price.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    3.) how would you know you are going to need this mental health care to put away for it?????
    how many people can afford to do what you are doing?
    I don't, that why I save for it.
    I put away $10 a week, sometimes surpluses from working overtime.
    My company puts in $500 a year, to encourage me to use that plan, plus I get a lower premium.

    Now I'm covered for limited mental services, but my plan has a high deductible and overall larger cost sharing, except for the most expensive medical stuff (cancer, heart attack, etc.)

    Over all, it's partial self insurance on my part.
    It's tax deductible too.

    If you start young, it's not a problem for most people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    when i was in between jobs i shopped around for health care the cheapest i could get that actually offered protection (and it still sucked) for me and my daughter was 585 a month.
    If we made revisions to the PPACA, you would be covered by Medicaid, until you became employed again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    4.) I agree cost are going to get spread and go up no matter what but in your system i see a possible of health providers of simply not carrying things or the cost skyrocketing in that one group. I wouldnt want that.
    Of course, that can largely be offset by keeping and (some what) broadening government medical coverage for people with incurable, lifelong and costly diseases.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    1.)Once it makes it to the legislative process, we need to be certain, it will be more cost efficient.



    2.)That's true, but when you look at most individuals/families costs of living, it's marginal at best.
    The most expensive birth control, besides sterilization is the IUD, which is around $1000, iirc.
    It's effective for 5 years.

    That's more cost effective, but has a higher, up front price.




    3.)I don't, that why I save for it.
    I put away $10 a week, sometimes surpluses from working overtime.
    My company puts in $500 a year, to encourage me to use that plan, plus I get a lower premium.

    Now I'm covered for limited mental services, but my plan has a high deductible and overall larger cost sharing, except for the most expensive medical stuff (cancer, heart attack, etc.)

    Over all, it's partial self insurance on my part.
    It's tax deductible too.

    If you start young, it's not a problem for most people.



    4.)If we made revisions to the PPACA, you would be covered by Medicaid, until you became employed again.



    Of course, that can largely be offset by keeping and (some what) broadening government medical coverage for people with incurable, lifelong and costly diseases.
    1.) i agree but we can only dream that government works this way one day
    2.) well just saying 30$ or more a month could be out of the range of people, especially we are talking about lower income according to you
    3.) so you suggest that people just save for all the things that might go wrong with them? again who can do this?
    and this is based on you GUESSING you know what it might cost a person

    im sorry but i think thats unrealistic when talking about elective healthcare, ok you save for mental health but not degenerative spinal disorder? now what? or not some rare eye tumor not covered? now what?


    4.) that be great but i was just pointing out the cost that are in place now and how its unrealistic to think people can just cover themselves

    5.) agreed but basically you want lots of changes (i do to) but im not going to attack this without other changes being made first.

    i do like some of your suggestion though for sure and i have them myself.
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