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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    PPACA made gender based pricing illegal, but extended a lot of benefits to females.
    Which basically, is making guys pay more, even though they tend to use less benefits and services or for services they can never use like, birth control, pregnancy coverage, etc.

    Insurance is supposed to be based on risk based pricing, young females are more expensive than young males, while older females are less expensive than older males.
    The law is pretty much turning the concept of insurance on it's head, more so than before.
    hmmm interesting, while im not bothered by this much at all it has solid logical and rational behind it.
    I guess my only concern with it would be where does it end? women, men, races, sexuality, occupation, environment etc etc

    again not knocking your logic im asking where would you want the line drawn and you do see the potential for that line to get extended to far and become discriminatory right?

    also, of course not always but sometimes these coverages can still benefit men if that is their wife girlfriend family member etc

    also vasectomies are covered (im guessing) and woman would have paid for that? (im guessing)

    what about prostrate surgeries?

    again i see some of the logic and rational behind your complaint and it is sound by where does it stop? and what "fair" logic should we base it on?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If Hobby Lobby is self insured, like a lot of companies, they do in fact pay for it.
    The insurance companies are not raising a ruckus about this. This IS about religious fanatics attempting to force their beliefs onto others. Hobby Lobby pretty much says it up front, when they give their reason they refuse to obey the law, based upon the erroneous assumption that they would be paying for abortions, when in fact, they would not.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    Harry, one does not have to have an intent to deceive to be a hypocrite. Hypocrisy in at least one definition is a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess. In this case, those who claim to love freedom are demanding that others give their's up. In this case, Objective-J is proving this quite nicely.
    yet as you have been told by me and others you haven't provided any evidence logic or facts to support this inaccurate claim, Ive been waiting.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    hmmm interesting, while im not bothered by this much at all it has solid logical and rational behind it.
    I guess my only concern with it would be where does it end? women, men, races, sexuality, occupation, environment etc etc

    again not knocking your logic im asking where would you want the line drawn and you do see the potential for that line to get extended to far and become discriminatory right?

    also, of course not always but sometimes these coverages can still benefit men if that is their wife girlfriend family member etc

    also vasectomies are covered (im guessing) and woman would have paid for that? (im guessing)

    what about prostrate surgeries?

    again i see some of the logic and rational behind your complaint and it is sound by where does it stop? and what "fair" logic should we base it on?
    There is a line to be drawn, but it should mostly rest with the insured.
    You choose your coverage and pay for that.

    As far as BC coverage goes, it really doesn't make sense.
    How many people can afford insurance premiums, but can't afford BC?
    How many people with insurance, who need BC, don't already pay for it?

    What that mandate, basically amounts to is, giving middle and upper income women of child bearing age, a freebie, while charging everyone else a bit more.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    yet as you have been told by me and others you haven't provided any evidence logic or facts to support this inaccurate claim, Ive been waiting.
    Sorry if definitions don't count for you.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    So religious beliefs are now being forced on other? Check me if I am wrong but isnt that what the talibans does ? What is this country coming to
    Comparing a person's belief that birth control is wrong and not wanting to provide a benefit for it is hardly comparable with the practices of the taliban Please tell me what religious beliefs are being forced on someone when the owner of their own private company decides that they don't want to run their business in a way that conflicts with their beliefs. They can't stop someone from getting birth control or preventing the individual from purchasing their own insurance plan that covers what they want, they are just choosing not to provide benefits that conflict with their beliefs.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The insurance companies are not raising a ruckus about this. This IS about religious fanatics attempting to force their beliefs onto others. Hobby Lobby pretty much says it up front, when they give their reason they refuse to obey the law, based upon the erroneous assumption that they would be paying for abortions, when in fact, they would not.
    No, why would they?
    They're getting more money for their pool.
    (Secret: That's how a lot of insurance companies make money, taking the cash pool and investing it.)

    A lot of companies are self insured.
    Just because your employer gives you an Aetna, BCBS, UHC insurance card, doesn't mean they are your insurance company.
    A lot of times, they just process the insurance claims, for your company, because of HIPPA laws.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    1.)There is a line to be drawn, but it should mostly rest with the insured.
    You choose your coverage and pay for that.

    2.)As far as BC coverage goes, it really doesn't make sense.
    How many people can afford insurance premiums, but can't afford BC?
    How many people with insurance, who need BC, don't already pay for it?

    What that mandate, basically amounts to is, giving middle and upper income women of child bearing age, a freebie, while charging everyone else a bit more.
    1.) again though im not sure of the rational on the line, me and you may agree where a line should be drawn but what about everybody else? and if you make it a totally insured decision how long before insurance becomes way otu fo control and getting anything like what we have today becomes even more expensive or insurance companies find ways to start excluding things left and right.

    2.) dont disagree but there are people out there that this would help dramatically, and many CAN NOT afford the premiums.

    but your questions could be asked about many things could they not?


    3.) ???? that isnt factual at all that would assume the vast majority or lower and middle class can afford it and that the upper class isnt taking advantage of the insurance and or they are all paying for it without insurance.

    but again the same question, wouldnt this be true with some things with any and all insurances?

    again i totally see the logic i just dont see picking this ONE thing to judge or be upset about when many things could fall into this category. DO you disagree with that?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No, why would they?
    They're getting more money for their pool.
    (Secret: That's how a lot of insurance companies make money, taking the cash pool and investing it.)

    A lot of companies are self insured.
    Just because your employer gives you an Aetna, BCBS, UHC insurance card, doesn't mean they are your insurance company.
    A lot of times, they just process the insurance claims, for your company, because of HIPPA laws.
    Very bad timing here. I would love to continue this discussion, but I have to hit the sack. Got 6 hours of practice tomorrow, and then a NYE gig in Galveston for Curtis King. Gonna be a long day too. I sprained my thumb during my gig Friday, and will be playing in pain. I plan to get drunk as the bejesus when I finally get home. LOL. I will try to pick this up again New Year's day.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    Sorry if definitions don't count for you.


    definitions support me and they dont support you as already shown.

    again if you disagree please factually prove its hypocrisy and "definitions" prove me wrong
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