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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    When did women "decide" to develop polycystic ovarian syndrome, endometriosis, or amenorrhea?
    And the Morning After Pill is the only treatment for these?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    And the Morning After Pill is the only treatment for these?
    Birth control pills are widely regarded as the best option to treat those conditions and I'd put more faith in a doctor on these matters than some guy who hocks cheap art supplies for a living. The point is that you don't know why an employee may need birth control. It could be for one, or more, of the aforementioned medical conditions or they may not use that benefit at all. The religious argument rings hollow. You can't claim a religious exemption because of an imagined action which doesn't involve you directly, hasn't occurred, may never occur, and which you would never know if it had occurred.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have 2 statements to make here:

    1) Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to impose your religious views on others. Your freedom of religion stops where my own freedom of religion begins.

    2) If Hobby Lobby wants to pay 1.3 million in fines per day, then by all means let them. It will help reduce our deficit a tiny bit. Thank you, Hobby Lobby, for volunteering to pay a little more.

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    yep let them pay the fine for their idiocy.

    While i admit im not so found of government mandating what insurance a company offers I am all on board that no company should pick an insurance based on their "religious beliefs" once that is done they are 100% in the wrong.

    this is like everything come up with a better reason, say the insurance you picked is the most financially sound for your company, but as soon as you admit (or it can be proven) you are picking the insurance based on religious beliefs you will lose and rightfully so. Thats just basic rights.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I am sympathetic to your view here. However, the inclusion of such as contraception and birth control in Obamacare mandates is the stuff of pure politics. And the stupidity of the American public in expecting an ever expanding nanny-state, magically paid for by aliens it would seem.

    Health coverage should mirror such as auto insurance. Where all basic maintenance is on the owner. Insurance is for the "accidents", and even then, with a range of deductables.

    I believe myself a realist. I could accept a single-payer system that covered all if modeled similarly to auto insurance. Such as a catastrophic-coverage "single payer", morphed with Medicaid for the indigent. Minimal coverage, where longer lines would be expected if one relied only on single-payer for care. Beyond that, folks could then purchase better-care insurance out of pocket. Voluntarily. Via employer if offered, or otherwise.

    The problem is that liberals want health care as a right. They want full-coverage single-payer. As evidenced by this contraception mandate.

    Like you and I ought to be able to get the oil changed in our car tomorrow and bill it to Allstate.
    Actually what most sane people want is good care at reasonable costs. Providing birth control without a co-pay is simply one way of reducing costs. Data has shown that the costs of pregnancy and childbirth far outweigh the costs of providing the preventative service of contraceptive pills. It also reduces abortions.
    A large part of the AHC is aimed at cost control and most of the preventative services are being implemented to REDUCE costs.
    Of course being one of the "status quo mongers" you have no interest in cost savings. You love our health care system just the way it is .Twice as expensive as most other western nations with no better care


    Providing birth control to women at no cost substantially reduced unplanned pregnancies and cut abortion rates by 62 percent to 78 percent over the national rate, a new study shows.

    The research, by investigators at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, appears online Oct. 4 in Obstetrics & Gynecology.

    Among a range of birth control methods offered in the study, most women chose long-acting methods like intrauterine devices (IUDs) or implants, which have lower failure rates than commonly used birth control pills. In the United States, IUDs and implants have high up-front costs that sometimes aren't covered by health insurance, making these methods unaffordable for many women.

    "The impact of providing no-cost birth control was far greater than we expected in terms of unintended pregnancies," says lead author Jeff Peipert, MD, PhD, the Robert J. Terry Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology. "We think improving access to birth control, particularly IUDs and implants, coupled with education on the most effective methods has the potential to significantly decrease the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions in this country."

    Unintended pregnancies are a major problem in the United States. Each year, about 50 percent of all U.S. pregnancies are unplanned, far higher than in other developed countries. About half of these pregnancies result from women not using contraception and half from incorrect or irregular use.
    Providing no cost birth control can reduce unintended pregnancies, abortion rates in women
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    this makes ZERO sense?

    in one case you are choosing to ALLOW the government in your bedroom and womb and in the other case government would be FORCING thier way in your bedroom and womb.
    THis poster is an epic failure lol, whoever created it has no idea what hypocrisy means.
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    Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    this makes ZERO sense?

    in one case you are choosing to ALLOW the government in your bedroom and womb and in the other case government would be FORCING thier way in your bedroom and womb.
    THis poster is an epic failure lol, whoever created it has no idea what hypocrisy means.
    The way I take that is, if the government is going to pay your way for your birth control (and health care in general), then don't get upset if the government tries to tell you what to do with your body. You want them to pay your way, then your business becomes their business. It's like people who live in government assisted housing and then get pissed off when the government doesn't let them smoke cigarettes in their home.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have 2 statements to make here:

    1) Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to impose your religious views on others. Your freedom of religion stops where my own freedom of religion begins.

    2) If Hobby Lobby wants to pay 1.3 million in fines per day, then by all means let them. It will help reduce our deficit a tiny bit. Thank you, Hobby Lobby, for volunteering to pay a little more.

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    Do we really want to get into the whole, insurance mandating **** that's easily affordable, debate?

    Because for me, that's the issue here.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    You really think it's not hypocrisy? Those are both demands. When one makes the choice to engage in behavior that has consequences, then one should not coerce others who disagree with that choice to remove those consequences. You are pro-choice, right? Ohhh, that's only when its convenient for you.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    The way I take that is, if the government is going to pay your way for your birth control, then don't get upset if the government tries to tell you what to do with your body. You want them to pay your way, then your business becomes their business. It's like people who live in government assisted housing and then get pissed off when the government doesn't let them smoke cigarettes in their home.
    you could take it that way but it would be totally inaccurate and illogical
    theres ZERO hypocrisy present

    the people that say they dont want the government in their bedroom or womb are referring to them FORCING their way in their and the other way they are being INVITED.

    the government makes laws to protect my home it doesnt mean they get to come in it for any reason
    your example is also horrible as a house is not a womb or your body. those people are stupid, and that is nothing like the subject here.

    sorry the poster is a huge failure as no hypocrisy exists, for hypocrisy the examples have to be identical opposites would they not?
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