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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    First off, saying "just find another job" in this economy is an easy thing to say, not an easy thing to do.

    Secondly, it is ridiculous to claim that it is medically unethical.
    Just because jobs are scarce does not mean the government or the employees should restrict the owners right to run their business how they want.

    What is ridiculous is mandating the coverage of birth control while other medications for illnesses like COPD, heart disease, and others are not forcibly required to be covered. It's medically unethical to place birth control at such a high tier by law when other things are not mandated that are necessary for a healthy life to treat potentially deadly diseases
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    Or they could just keep their noses out of their employees bedrooms.
    Then go buy the stupid pill out of pocket.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    Just because jobs are scarce does not mean the government or the employees should restrict the owners right to run their business how they want.

    What is ridiculous is mandating the coverage of birth control while other medications for illnesses like COPD, heart disease, and others are not forcibly required to be covered. It's medically unethical to place birth control at such a high tier by law when other things are not mandated that are necessary for a healthy life to treat potentially deadly diseases
    That is not medically unethical. Though I do think that all of that should be covered, and this whole debate just illustrates that it is ridiculous to have health insurance tied to employment. Which is why I wanted a single payer system.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    That is not medically unethical. Though I do think that all of that should be covered, and this whole debate just illustrates that it is ridiculous to have health insurance tied to employment. Which is why I wanted a single payer system.
    How is it not medically unethical? How is it not unethical to put the desire for contraception above the need for life-saving medication? What we have to work with is under the current system, and under the current system the government is not imposing single payer but is saying that birth control must be covered by law while necessary drugs do not.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    First off, saying "just find another job" in this economy is an easy thing to say, not an easy thing to do.

    Secondly, it is ridiculous to claim that it is medically unethical.
    I don't give a darn what the state of the economy is. If you have a problem with what an employer offers, go find somebody else to make your butt happy. I'll perhaps reconsider when Hobby Lobby owns most of the US market.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    That is not medically unethical. Though I do think that all of that should be covered, and this whole debate just illustrates that it is ridiculous to have health insurance tied to employment. Which is why I wanted a single payer system.
    I am sympathetic to your view here. However, the inclusion of such as contraception and birth control in Obamacare mandates is the stuff of pure politics. And the stupidity of the American public in expecting an ever expanding nanny-state, magically paid for by aliens it would seem.

    Health coverage should mirror such as auto insurance. Where all basic maintenance is on the owner. Insurance is for the "accidents", and even then, with a range of deductables.

    I believe myself a realist. I could accept a single-payer system that covered all if modeled similarly to auto insurance. Such as a catastrophic-coverage "single payer", morphed with Medicaid for the indigent. Minimal coverage, where longer lines would be expected if one relied only on single-payer for care. Beyond that, folks could then purchase better-care insurance out of pocket. Voluntarily. Via employer if offered, or otherwise.

    The problem is that liberals want health care as a right. They want full-coverage single-payer. As evidenced by this contraception mandate.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How is it not medically unethical? How is it not unethical to put the desire for contraception above the need for life-saving medication? What we have to work with is under the current system, and under the current system the government is not imposing single payer but is saying that birth control must be covered by law while necessary drugs do not.
    Just because the government has realized that reducing the number of unwanted children is a good thing and wanted to enact policy to enable that doesn't make it medically unethical.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    Just because the government has realized that reducing the number of unwanted children is a good thing and wanted to enact policy to enable that doesn't make it medically unethical.
    That's not what I'm arguing and you never addressed my point. What I am arguing is that it is medically unethical to place the desire for birth control above the need for live saving/necessary medications and to mandate the coverage of one and not the other, the act of doing this is what is unethical not the desire to reduce unwanted pregnancy.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    Just because the government has realized that reducing the number of unwanted children is a good thing and wanted to enact policy to enable that doesn't make it medically unethical.
    To add that to the PPACA "free" services list over life saving medicine is a bit odd as far as priorities go. Some things you just can't explain.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

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    Just because the government has realized that reducing the number of unwanted children is a good thing and wanted to enact policy to enable that doesn't make it medically unethical.
    Yet, with the increase of birth control, we have a concurrent increase in the number of children born to unwed mothers (more than twice what it was 30 years ago, by percent of all childbirths), and raised in households with no father present. Which becomes the foundation for the highest concurrence of producing felons, and households being on the government teat.

    Perhaps the government, or its liberal wing anyway, has realized a different dynamic.

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