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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Allowing people to make their own choices is the epitome of unethical. They might choose in ways we do not like!
    You realize that argument works for those of us against forcing BC coverage don't you?
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have 2 statements to make here:

    1) Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to impose your religious views on others. Your freedom of religion stops where my own freedom of religion begins.
    I tend to support pretty broad access to birth control and health care reform, but I fail to see how they would be infringing on an employees freedom.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Except that's not how it works. The employer pays a flat fee per month per employee. They are not paying any more to pay for contraceptives than they would be not to. It is then up to the employee whether or not they want to take advantage of the contraceptive coverage or not. What's really happening here is that the employer wants to tell the employee what they can and cannot do in their off-hours, in a bedroom which is none of the employer's damn business.

    That's the reality.
    Not providing birth control, as part of an employee compensation package, does nothing more to restrict a person's rights than negotiating a set wage.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Not providing birth control, as part of an employee compensation package, does nothing more to restrict a person's rights than negotiating a set wage.
    Huh? Please elaborate.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You provide your labor and as a result you get paid for such labor.

    Where does healthcare come into the equation there? Did I miss a step? Why are they obligated to cover any of that stuff?
    Health insurance is part of a compensation package. While I hate Obamacare as much as the next rational person, if we're going to have it, and it seems like we're going to get it shoved down our throat, it should provide for the needs of *EVERYONE*.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Huh? Please elaborate.
    I think he is using the other progressive idea of a living wage to highlight the absurdity of mandating BC.
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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You provide your labor and as a result you get paid for such labor.

    Where does healthcare come into the equation there? Did I miss a step? Why are they obligated to cover any of that stuff?
    I beleive that it is rooted in maximum wage deals imposed by the gov't and the addition of non-cash employer benefits to give incentive for employees to not switch jobs.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Rubbish. The law requires that the corporation pay for birth-control coverage. Whether birth control is used or not is not the issue. The corporation is mandated to pay for the coverage. That is what is being objected to.
    The cost for the coverage is the same with or without the inclusion of birth control. So that can't be the objection. It is a business imposing their religion on their employees. I belirve that is not allowed here. Now if we were a theocratic Moslem State it would be quite different. Maybe that's what you were thinking?

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The cost for the coverage is the same with or without the inclusion of birth control. So that can't be the objection. It is a business imposing their religion on their employees. I belirve that is not allowed here. Now if we were a theocratic Moslem State it would be quite different. Maybe that's what you were thinking?
    An employer has the right to impose many of his own personal standards and beliefs upon his employees. He may have standards of speech and dress and behavior that each employee must follow. THAT is his right. Religion or religious standards are no different. What you and many others are doing is taking a Constitutional protection that the state may not violate and applying it to your fellow citizens. If you are on my property and in my polace of business you are subject to my rules. That some of those rules may have a religious origin does not make them invalid.

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    Re: Atty: Hobby Lobby Won't Offer Morning-After Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The cost for the coverage is the same with or without the inclusion of birth control. So that can't be the objection. It is a business imposing their religion on their employees. I belirve that is not allowed here. Now if we were a theocratic Moslem State it would be quite different. Maybe that's what you were thinking?
    Do you just make this stuff up ? Again, the issue is not whether or not women want to choose contraception. Its whether or not it is included in the policy paid for by the employer. To then pretend that it is somehow a "freebie" in coverage is naive. Every cost is factored in. Every provider has thresholds that trigger higher premiums.

    As to your other uninformed nonsense, do we not now have tax dollars spent so that Muslims can wash their feet at public facilities where you and I are happy enough to have urinals to piss in ? So spare me your naivete on such.

    In no uncertain terms, your posts have been stupid on this topic.

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