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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Then those willing to work should take their place.
    The company signed a collective bargaining agreement, to get the benefits of it (which are many). Now you're saying that the company needs to be saved from itself and shouldn't be allowed to enter contracts with unions.

    Nanny state capitalism! That's all you conservatives offer.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    With an expired contract, management isn't obligated to anything.
    contract extended until feb 6
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The company signed a collective bargaining agreement, to get the benefits of it (which are many). Now you're saying that the company needs to be saved from itself and shouldn't be allowed to enter contracts with unions.

    Nanny state capitalism! That's all you conservatives offer.

    No we are saying that once the contract expires and the workers go on strike, they should be allowed to hire replacements without those replacements being harassed and threatened by union workers and reps.

    We are not asking any government rep to step in. Your rhetoric is agitprop and little else. Get a new talking point.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here you go. read a contemporary article about the longshoremen retaining their container royalties:
    Behind the Longshoremen

    here is the conclusion to the following article:

    Container Royalties | USMX Labor Updates

    let me explain. when management wants to cap something, it intends to pay less than it is now obligated

    don't know how to make this any clearer

    I'll admit that I don't quite get it, other than to say that after reading both sides of it through the links you provided is that it appears to me, that the pensions agreed to in the early negotiations stemming from the M&M agreement are too expensive to continue, and rather than step away and turn it over to the government where current pensioners would see their pensions cut, the business wants to uphold what they agreed to and to do that they need to look at these "royalties" that have little to do with people doing the job today that have never known anything other than container shipping.

    These are some of the highest paid blue collar jobs in America, why in the world in this day and age of asking those that are well off to sacrifice, can we not expect that of these people as well? I'll tell ya...Because the union takes 10% of these royalties off the top, and that is the real rub here, it isn't the workers, the union could care less about, it is the 'vig' they get.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Which is blackmail.
    No its not. Blackmail is a crime, a crime which people use unjustified threats to make some gains or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. Blackmail is a form of coercion.


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    Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No its not. Blackmail is a crime, a crime which people use unjustified threats to make some gains or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. Blackmail is a form of coercion.
    Isn't a strike a form of coercion?

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No its not. Blackmail is a crime, a crime which people use unjustified threats to make some gains or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. Blackmail is a form of coercion.

    Hmmmm.....Let's see here....

    The union should be a crime, a crime which people use unjustified threats to make some gains or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. Unions are a form of coercion.

    hey what do ya know...it works....
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Isn't a strike a form of coercion?
    They have the power for force people to do x, y, and z? They have the power to make people do certain decisions? I dont think so.


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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmmm.....Let's see here....

    The union should be a crime, a crime which people use unjustified threats to make some gains or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. Unions are a form of coercion.

    hey what do ya know...it works....
    that was very elementary


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    Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They have the power for force people to do x, y, and z? They have the power to make people do certain decisions? I dont think so.
    Absolutely they do. What the hell other point is there to striking??? They strike as a form of coercion to get what they want. Take teachers for example. They go on strike because they know that there is only so long that their school board can hold out until they cave and give them what they want, because they know that the children must be taught. It is coercion, pure and simple.
    Last edited by The Man; 12-29-12 at 08:39 PM.

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