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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'm not upset with them, I'm upset with the methods they are using. Anyone can want more wages, but what unions really want is more power.
    Anyone can want more power too, and everyone does. Do you know a single entity in the entire world who dreams of being less powerful?
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Which is called collusion and is illegal.
    And it happens all the time, despite what the law says. Indeed, the law often looks the other way even when their nose is rubbed in it. Why do you suppose that is?

    You realize if what you were saying was true, the strikers would already be out of a job and be replaced---and there would be no unions. Your post doesnt pass the reality test.
    It's not so true in the U.S. anymore, thanks to organized labor, although such exploitation continues in developing countries with shameless abandon, and is increasing every year with the continuing exploitation of illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, neither the U.S. government nor the U.N. do much about it.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    All of the above.
    so, you have nothing to support your wrong statement that the unions only want more power
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    And it happens all the time, despite what the law says. Indeed, the law often looks the other way even when their nose is rubbed in it. Why do you suppose that is?

    It's not so true in the U.S. anymore, thanks to organized labor, although such exploitation continues in developing countries with shameless abandon, and is increasing every year with the continuing exploitation of illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, neither the U.S. government nor the U.N. do much about it.
    Sigh, unsupported opinion is unsupported.

    Ive been saying for years that illegal immigration causes false wage depreciation. The primary opposition to illegal immigration is from the right. The better support we have to prevent illegal employment, the better.

    As for overseas labor, no easy answers. Increased standard of living in developing countries is the only answer but its a long way from being easy to achieve.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no. the employer WAS seeking to rescind the royalties that it had been paying to the union/employees
    the employer has since folded on that point once a strike was threatened. as the union leader has indicated
    the mediator has now stepped in and extended the span of the current contract until february 6, because other aspects of the contract - the eight hour work day requirement and the requirement of a lashing crew - remain unresolved. the extension buys time under the existing contract to hash out the language on those two other outstanding issues


    the employer wanted to keep the money - the royalties - that it had previously agreed to pay the union workers
    so, yes, it was about money. money the employer wanted to keep from the employees


    but that 7% sure seems to be getting a lot of headlines lately, where it keeps pushing back against management's efforts to become more profitable at the employees' expense. i don't see the employers winning

    In the bolded portions you'll need to back that up. Anything I have seen reported on this depicts a freeze of those royalties, NOT a recension of anything.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In the bolded portions you'll need to back that up. Anything I have seen reported on this depicts a freeze of those royalties, NOT a recension of anything.
    here you go. read a contemporary article about the longshoremen retaining their container royalties:
    Behind the Longshoremen

    here is the conclusion to the following article:
    In the current negotiations over a new Master Contract, management is not asking to eliminate container royalties, only to cap the payments and use the excess, not as savings for employers but to help pay for other benefits for ILA workers.
    Container Royalties | USMX Labor Updates

    let me explain. when management wants to cap something, it intends to pay less than it is now obligated

    don't know how to make this any clearer
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Let me explain. when management wants to cap something, it intends to pay less than it is now obligated. don't know how to make this any clearer
    With an expired contract, management isn't obligated to anything.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "monocle polishing friends"..... Man, why are progressives full of so much hate dude?.
    Because unlike conservatives, we don't want to be dominated by a bunch of Monopoly Guy weirdos, and value real freedom and independence. In short, we're Americans and you're not.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Capitalism would allow the companies paying the dock workers to stare the contract down and replace them immediately with workers that want the jobs at fair market wages.

    Capitalism is the union negotiating for as much in wages as the company will give on then deciding whether their members can live with that or quit the contract.

    Capitalism is not blocking other people from applying for the wages after refusing to sign a new contract and striking.
    Actually it is. Just like capitalist can sell their products at what the market can bear (and do), so can workers if they negotiating power, and part of that is going on strike.

    See, you just don't like capitalism for anybody else.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Actually it is. Just like capitalist can sell their products at what the market can bear (and do), so can workers if they negotiating power, and part of that is going on strike.

    See, you just don't like capitalism for anybody else.
    That is not capitalism that is a monopoly that may fix the cost of their services (labor). If you allow labor competition, as in right to work states, then that is capitalism, as those workers that desire to continue working may do so (or they may join the strike), independent of the union workers.
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