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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so when you said....

    "what we see is happening is the employer trying to take the royalties that have heretofore been paid to the union workers..."

    You now admit that was false.
    no. the employer WAS seeking to rescind the royalties that it had been paying to the union/employees
    the employer has since folded on that point once a strike was threatened. as the union leader has indicated
    the mediator has now stepped in and extended the span of the current contract until february 6, because other aspects of the contract - the eight hour work day requirement and the requirement of a lashing crew - remain unresolved. the extension buys time under the existing contract to hash out the language on those two other outstanding issues

    But the bigger picture here. These Unionized workers were threatening strike not because working conditions were horrific, or because safety was compromised, nor were they upset because the owners wanted to bring in child labor or any of that pap. No, they were threatening a strike because the owners wanted to freeze their pay and benefits at $125K per year....Oh yeah...Nothing but money....Same old story as far as I am concerned, they want more, and more, and more until the businesses that provide their jobs in the first place goes under.
    the employer wanted to keep the money - the royalties - that it had previously agreed to pay the union workers
    so, yes, it was about money. money the employer wanted to keep from the employees

    But hey, keep defending this sort of thing, and I am sure we can see even less than the current 7% membership in this country.
    but that 7% sure seems to be getting a lot of headlines lately, where it keeps pushing back against management's efforts to become more profitable at the employees' expense. i don't see the employers winning
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Of course, capitalists never form a cabal to not only stifle competition between up and coming capitalists, to not only repress technological innovation that threatens their profit margins, but to also keep wages down to a bare minimum.

    When "fair market wages" amount to a mere subsistence and when capitalists view human labor as little more than a jument commodity to be exploited at their whim, then workers have no choice but take whatever measures are necessary to maintain a human standard of living.
    Which is called collusion and is illegal.

    You realize if what you were saying was true, the strikers would already be out of a job and be replaced---and there would be no unions. Your post doesnt pass the reality test.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They can demand higher wages, but just understand that if it caused the company to go bankrupt it will cost them all their jobs. There's a reason why non-RTW states have 11% higher unemployment then RTW states.


    Besides, shenanigans like this are the reason why labor unions have seen such a strong decline.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but that 7% sure seems to be getting a lot of headlines lately, where it keeps pushing back against management's efforts to become more profitable at the employees' expense. i don't see the employers winning
    'don't see the employers winning'?...Me neither...

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So you are upset with people who wanted to make more money?
    I'm not upset with them, I'm upset with the methods they are using. Anyone can want more wages, but what unions really want is more power.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'm not upset with them, I'm upset with the methods they are using. Anyone can want more wages, but what unions really want is more power.
    what tells you that the unions only want more power
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    "Longshoremen with one to four years of experience earned $21.25 to $33.84 per hour, while those on the job for five to nine years made $14.11 to $33.83 hourly. Longshoremen with 10 to 19 years of experience made $24.08 to $35.38 per hour, PayScale reported."

    What Is the Average Salary of a Longshoreman? | eHow.com

    These are not particularly great wages considering the nature of the work.
    That's as much after 5 years as my mother makes after 25 years in the field as an Urgent Care nurse.

    This is what pisses me off about unions. They demand enormous salaries, benefits, and feather-bed employment, whine and pout when they don't get their way and the rest of us suffer because it.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what tells you that the unions only want more power
    All of the above.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Two wrongs make a right..... right?
    There is nothing wrong with forming a picket line. Ever hear of the "Right to Assembly"?
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That's as much after 5 years as my mother makes after 25 years in the field as an Urgent Care nurse.

    This is what pisses me off about unions. They demand enormous salaries, benefits, and feather-bed employment, whine and pout when they don't get their way and the rest of us suffer because it.
    Perhaps your mother should join a nurse's union. These are not enormous salaries. In fact, I'd say, on the low end, they're an outright pittance.

    Ever do any dock work? It's not child's play.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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