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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what we see is happening is the employer trying to take the royalties that have heretofore been paid to the union workers - according to the present labor/management contract - while the employer remained profitable

    now, if we see that the employer is losing money - and it opens its legitimate books to reveal that outcome - then the union would be stupid to refuse to take a smaller cut in order for the business to remain viable. but there is no indication (from what little i have read) to indicate the employer is experiencing unprofitability. management seems only to want
















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    this is simply untrue....Here is what the OP said, and is being reported....

    "The union said its members would agree to an extension only if the Maritime Alliance dropped a proposal to freeze the royalties workers get for every container they unload."

    Please explain to me how a freeze is in your words above 'taking royalties that union members were paid before'?
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    this is simply untrue....Here is what the OP said, and is being reported....

    "The union said its members would agree to an extension only if the Maritime Alliance dropped a proposal to freeze the royalties workers get for every container they unload."

    Please explain to me how a freeze is in your words above 'taking royalties that union members were paid before'?
    let's instead examine the facts:
    ... The new contract does not eliminate the royalty payments, according to Benny Holland, an executive vice president for the ILA.

    "The royalty will stay intact. We have worked out a formula for it," he said in an interview.

    Established in 1960, the royalty payments to ILA workers are based on the tons of container cargo that move through a port. That tonnage has risen from 50 million tons in 1996 to 110 million last year, according to the alliance. Total payments last year were $211 million, according to the USMX, or an average of $15,500 per worker.

    The original idea was to protect longshoremen from wage losses expected as a result of "containerization," in which more and more goods are packed in the now-familiar 20- and 40-foot long boxes. Those take less manpower to off-load than the less-standardized containers they replaced.

    Both sides also fought over the guaranteed eight-hour workday in the current contract and the seven-man "lashing gang." Lashing crews, or gangs, secure the cargo containers to the vessel using metal lashing rods to keep them from moving while the vessel is at sea. The maritime alliance wanted to eliminate each.

    “The container royalty payment issue has been agreed upon in principle by the parties, subject to achieving an overall collective bargaining agreement. ...
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    East Coast port strike averted as parties agree to last-minute deal - Business on NBCNews.com

    what we can see from our nbc news source is that the royalties - which were in dispute - are no longer a matter of contention because the employer has agreed to keep them intact. hence, the tentative agreement

    the matters which remain in dispute are the eight hour work day and the lashing crew requirements within the present contract, which provisions the employer wants to eliminate
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I thought you guys were against class envy?
    I'm against artificially inflating wages and benefits, the costs of which are passed on to the rest of us, for the sole purpose of collecting dues to be used political counterweight. The relationship between unions and government is deplorable and one, the other or both need to be done away with.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    One down side of unions that is not being pointed out is the economic effects on the non union population. When union workers have artificially inflated wages it affects the cost of goods and services. Union dues are a tax and all taxes are paid by the end user. The non union workers are paying it as well. Real estate prices are regional and are based on average income. Union wages pull that average up, non union workers are then at a disadvantage. If everybody is in the union then the net effect of the lack of inflated and non inflated wages disappears and the now union wage earners in effect get pulled down. The net effect is that everybody achieves the median point which is then driven down by inflation and everybody ends up roughly upper lower class. That sounds like a few of those -isms we talk about.

    But he goal is not really to get everybody in a union. The goal is to force businesses to pay enough people too much so they can continue to feed a one sided political machine. Union workers and supporters know this too although they won't admit it because they are selfish and greedy themselves and as long as they are bribed with nice things they will continue to push the false narrative of unions being the savior of the worker. Just more of the passive aggressive misdirection of the left.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    perishable foods and finished automobiles are going to be shipped regardless. that has already been agreed
    Still, this will have a negative impact on businesses outside of grocers and car dealerships that depend on these shipments.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    He'd probably get beat up. Because that's how unions deal with people who make sense.
    nah - we just slit their throats and feed em to the fishes.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's instead examine the facts:
    [emphasis added by bubba]
    East Coast port strike averted as parties agree to last-minute deal - Business on NBCNews.com

    what we can see from our nbc news source is that the royalties - which were in dispute - are no longer a matter of contention because the employer has agreed to keep them intact. hence, the tentative agreement

    the matters which remain in dispute are the eight hour work day and the lashing crew requirements within the present contract, which provisions the employer wants to eliminate

    Ok, so when you said....

    "what we see is happening is the employer trying to take the royalties that have heretofore been paid to the union workers..."

    You now admit that was false.

    But the bigger picture here. These Unionized workers were threatening strike not because working conditions were horrific, or because safety was compromised, nor were they upset because the owners wanted to bring in child labor or any of that pap. No, they were threatening a strike because the owners wanted to freeze their pay and benefits at $125K per year....Oh yeah...Nothing but money....Same old story as far as I am concerned, they want more, and more, and more until the businesses that provide their jobs in the first place goes under.

    But hey, keep defending this sort of thing, and I am sure we can see even less than the current 7% membership in this country.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so when you said....

    "what we see is happening is the employer trying to take the royalties that have heretofore been paid to the union workers..."

    You now admit that was false.

    But the bigger picture here. These Unionized workers were threatening strike not because working conditions were horrific, or because safety was compromised, nor were they upset because the owners wanted to bring in child labor or any of that pap. No, they were threatening a strike because the owners wanted to freeze their pay and benefits at $125K per year....Oh yeah...Nothing but money....Same old story as far as I am concerned, they want more, and more, and more until the businesses that provide their jobs in the first place goes under.

    But hey, keep defending this sort of thing, and I am sure we can see even less than the current 7% membership in this country.
    So you are upset with people who wanted to make more money?
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Still, this will have a negative impact on businesses outside of grocers and car dealerships that depend on these shipments.
    and that is where - and why - the union is able to gain leverage in these negotiations
    otherwise the employer could simply hire scabs as the current employees initiate a strike
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So you are upset with people who wanted to make more money?
    I am not "upset" at all. Their greed doesn't effect me one way or another. But it is a glaring display of the one reason unions try and act like mobsters shaking down employers....And it has nothing to do with why unions were formed in the first place.
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