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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    More evidence that capitalists want capitalism for everybody but themselves? I thought greed was good according to you guys. I guess that only applies to Romney and his monocle polishing friends.
    Capitalism would allow the companies paying the dock workers to stare the contract down and replace them immediately with workers that want the jobs at fair market wages.

    Capitalism is the union negotiating for as much in wages as the company will give on then deciding whether their members can live with that or quit the contract.

    Capitalism is not blocking other people from applying for the wages after refusing to sign a new contract and striking.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Capitalism would allow the companies paying the dock workers to stare the contract down and replace them immediately with workers that want the jobs at fair market wages.

    Capitalism is the union negotiating for as much in wages as the company will give on then deciding whether their members can live with that or quit the contract.

    Capitalism is not blocking other people from applying for the wages after refusing to sign a new contract and striking.
    Of course, capitalists never form a cabal to not only stifle competition between up and coming capitalists, to not only repress technological innovation that threatens their profit margins, but to also keep wages down to a bare minimum.

    When "fair market wages" amount to a mere subsistence and when capitalists view human labor as little more than a jument commodity to be exploited at their whim, then workers have no choice but take whatever measures are necessary to maintain a human standard of living.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Striking is not blackmail or threatening to strike is not blackmail either. Striking is a collective action by a group of individuals who are employed to go against management and refuse to work until some compromise or their demands are met.
    Which is blackmail.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Of course, capitalists never form a cabal to not only stifle competition between up and coming capitalists, to not only repress technological innovation that threatens their profit margins, but to also keep wages down to a bare minimum.

    When "fair market wages" amount to a mere subsistence and when capitalists view human labor as little more than a jument commodity to be exploited at their whim, then workers have no choice but take whatever measures are necessary to maintain a human standard of living.
    Two wrongs make a right..... right?

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Fine. Let them all strike. We have what - 14% real unemployment? This ought to be easy as pie to solve.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Striking is not blackmail or threatening to strike is not blackmail either. Striking is a collective action by a group of individuals who are employed to go against management and refuse to work until some compromise or their demands are met.
    Are you kidding me? If the employer says cut pay/benefits, your union says raise pay/benefits, then a "compromse" is to keep them the same.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you think the employees are there to enhance their social network?
    No, but are you saying that the employees of a company should be entitled to make the same as the owner of the same company?
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Of course, capitalists never form a cabal to not only stifle competition between up and coming capitalists, to not only repress technological innovation that threatens their profit margins, but to also keep wages down to a bare minimum.

    When "fair market wages" amount to a mere subsistence and when capitalists view human labor as little more than a jument commodity to be exploited at their whim, then workers have no choice but take whatever measures are necessary to maintain a human standard of living.

    there are many standards of living...Who decides which standard of living the employee 'should' be compensated? You? The unions? Or is it the people that took the risk and put in the time and money to make the business successful enough to hire them in the first place?

    If you get hired at a job, you agree to what they are paying, if you don't then don't take the job. You don't own that job.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, but are you saying that the employees of a company should be entitled to make the same as the owner of the same company?
    what we see is happening is the employer trying to take the royalties that have heretofore been paid to the union workers - according to the present labor/management contract - while the employer remained profitable

    now, if we see that the employer is losing money - and it opens its legitimate books to reveal that outcome - then the union would be stupid to refuse to take a smaller cut in order for the business to remain viable. but there is no indication (from what little i have read) to indicate the employer is experiencing unprofitability. management seems only to want
















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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I would be happy to see each and every one of them banned from the dock area and replaced. At that rate people would take those jobs at half the rate and leave plenty to hire security to keep them out and offer a cost reduction to those paying the dock fees. They're union, they will get paid anyway and maybe take a little of that money the unions use to bribe the government.
    That would be a win-win.

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