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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    The average longshoremen is NOT making the salaries presented in the OP propaganda. I already provided a link to what longshoremen really make.
    EHow is not the definitive answer. If I'm not mistaken, that's the link you used. The data from EHow came from Simply Hired. Neither is appropriately verified.

    I would trust the OP's link more than EHow's because if that information were patently untrue (as reported by the US Maritime Alliance representing the shipping lines), the union -- International Longshoremen's Association -- would have screamed bloody murder at that statistic. And they did not.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    There is something wrong with being forced to not show up because the union says so.
    No one is forcing anyone to do anything. You are either with the union or you are a scab. Understand that solidarity is what makes a union a union.

    The Right to Assembly must also be complimented with a right to not participate in the assembly
    Again, no one is forced to walk a picket line. The members you see walking a picket line are there because they are committed to the union.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I would trust the OP's link more than EHow's because if that information were patently untrue (as reported by the US Maritime Alliance representing the shipping lines), the union -- International Longshoremen's Association -- would have screamed bloody murder at that statistic. And they did not.
    I don't know about "screaming bloody murder" but the ILA certainly objected to the disinformation submitted by the USMX to the media:


    "No "Breakdown" in Support For ILA Against USMX; Labor Groups From Across the Globe Pledge Support

    08/24/2012



    USMX's tactic of presenting averages for wages and benefits without explaining how these averages were derived are meant to inflame the general public who has no knowledge of the longshore industry. USMX uses this incomplete picture to distort the wage and benefits structure. USMX fails to note that longshore labor cost amounts to between 3% and 4% of the shipper's total cost. Unlike other hourly workers who work a 40-hour workweek, most longshore workers make themselves available for work on a daily basis. Early on, the ILA negotiated a guarantee of a day's pay. Otherwise, the employer had no obligation to pay if a vessel did not arrive on schedule.

    The coast wide average of wages and benefits of $124,138 focuses only on containerized cargo where wages and benefits are substantially higher than the wages and benefits paid for break-bulk cargo which is handled piece by piece because fewer workers are used on containerized cargo. Including the wages and benefits of those longshore workers who work break-bulk cargo would result in a substantially lower average since this cargo is handled at lower wage and benefit levels. Likewise, the average hourly rate of $50 apparently includes straight time and overtime hours and once again incudes only containerized cargo. It should be noted parenthetically that the health care benefits of ILA workers are those that all Americans will enjoy when the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented.

    Finally, with respect to the port of New York and New Jersey, USMX does not mention that these annual wages do not include substantial amounts of overtime pay. USMX also does not mention that management representatives have testified at administrative hearings that management prefers to keep one employee on overtime rather than two workers on straight time thereby resulting in these inflated annual wages.

    USMX should stop the inflammatory rhetoric and return to the bargaining table with realistic demands. USMX should recognize that it cannot change overnight benefits that were achieved over many years of collective bargaining."


    International Longshoremen's Association


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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Next time, do the research.
    Hilariously from a guy who used EHow as a source.

    You will notice, I trust, that nowhere in your posted quote did the union deny the $124K...why didn't they post their own number instead of Mickey Mousing around?
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hilariously from a guy who used EHow as a source.

    You will notice, I trust, that nowhere in your posted quote did the union deny the $124K...why didn't they post their own number instead of Mickey Mousing around?
    Because that's what 'wise guys' always do...Until they beat you down or kill you...this is who Sig, and others want you to believe...

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    No one is forcing anyone to do anything. You are either with the union or you are a scab. Understand that solidarity is what makes a union a union.



    Again, no one is forced to walk a picket line. The members you see walking a picket line are there because they are committed to the union.
    Uh? I know plenty of people who were not allowed to show up to work because the union said they were not allowed to while on the union is on strike.

    Regardless, I am in favor of RTW laws.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

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    Unsupported opinion? This is common knowledge to anyone with a pulse. If you do not believe me trying googling "collusion charges." You'll get all the examples you want.



    The right pretends to care about illegal immigration as a ruse to garnering votes in border states. Their fat cat constituents are making far too much money exploiting undocumented workers for GOP leaders to really be interested in curtailing it.



    Eventually, labor in developing countries will organize. Indeed, it is already happening. However, by the time labor unions are firmly established there, they will be dissolved over here and the whole damn cycle of exploitation will have come round full circle.
    Unsupported because if it can be supported and proven ITS ILLEGAL. I believe I mentioned that to some degree.

    Establishment GOP?, yes. Real conservatives?, no. Democrats? They dont just believe in it, they are counting on it.

    Yeah, I think you are missing the legal framework we have in place to prevent the full circle. Again you are rambling and drawing conlcusions from thin air.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Uh? I know plenty of people who were not allowed to show up to work because the union said they were not allowed to while on the union is on strike.

    Regardless, I am in favor of RTW laws.
    Yeah, I work for a company now that mostly is non union, but has a couple of terminals that are union and I remember when one went on strike up north, a couple of us went up there to fill in on the routes while they struck. We were threatened, had rocks thrown at our trucks, had the trucks beat with bats, and 2x4's, tires slashed, etc. General mob thug like behavior. The company ended up moving the business to a close by non union terminal, and closing the union one. So yeah, they were really effective.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, I work for a company now that mostly is non union, but has a couple of terminals that are union and I remember when one went on strike up north, a couple of us went up there to fill in on the routes while they struck. We were threatened, had rocks thrown at our trucks, had the trucks beat with bats, and 2x4's, tires slashed, etc. General mob thug like behavior. The company ended up moving the business to a close by non union terminal, and closing the union one. So yeah, they were really effective.
    My next door neighbor worked for a Teamsters' company years ago. When they struck, he couldn't afford to strike, so he kept driving...as did many others in the company. The ones who drove had Pinkerton guards 24/7 at their homes. Even with that, his picture window in the living room was replaced twice.

    I have family in coal-country Kentucky. When the coal truck drivers struck, anyone who drove was a target. Cut brake lines... trucks hijacked...drivers beaten...shot to death...run off mountain roads. It was brutal.
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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My next door neighbor worked for a Teamsters' company years ago. When they struck, he couldn't afford to strike, so he kept driving...as did many others in the company. The ones who drove had Pinkerton guards 24/7 at their homes. Even with that, his picture window in the living room was replaced twice.

    I have family in coal-country Kentucky. When the coal truck drivers struck, anyone who drove was a target. Cut brake lines... trucks hijacked...drivers beaten...shot to death...run off mountain roads. It was brutal.
    Yup. There are none so quick to violence as those imbued with a sense of entitlement.


    Hey, isn't this the same union that was involved in that whole destruction of private property and hostage-taking incident?

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