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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Anyone can want more power too, and everyone does. Do you know a single entity in the entire world who dreams of being less powerful?
    Exactly. So why should we pretend unions are above the corporations they are bargaining with?

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    And it happens all the time, despite what the law says. Indeed, the law often looks the other way even when their nose is rubbed in it. Why do you suppose that is?



    It's not so true in the U.S. anymore, thanks to organized labor, although such exploitation continues in developing countries with shameless abandon, and is increasing every year with the continuing exploitation of illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, neither the U.S. government nor the U.N. do much about it.
    1. Of course. But two wrongs don't make a right. We should put an end to both practices.
    2. That "exploitation" has also brought billions of people out of poverty.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, you have nothing to support your wrong statement that the unions only want more power
    The entire scenario behind this post proves my point.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Because unlike conservatives, we don't want to be dominated by a bunch of Monopoly Guy weirdos, and value real freedom and independence. In short, we're Americans and you're not.
    If you value real freedom, then why am I not allowed to say I don't want to join your silly union.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    There is nothing wrong with forming a picket line. Ever hear of the "Right to Assembly"?
    There is something wrong with being forced to not show up because the union says so.

    The Right to Assembly must also be complimented with a right to not participate in the assembly

    Lets put it another way. The Second Amendment says that you have the right to bear arms. Should every single citizen in the U.S. be forced to own a firearm? If you answered no, then why should every single worker be forced to join a union?

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Perhaps your mother should join a nurse's union. These are not enormous salaries. In fact, I'd say, on the low end, they're an outright pittance.

    Ever do any dock work? It's not child's play.
    What she should've done was get her masters, then she'd be making 6 figures. Which is something she'll probably go back and do in the next few years. I'm not complaining on behalf of my mother, she has an very high living standard taking everything into account. My point was that they are already making salaries comparable to good professional degrees, fighting for a larger salary just makes them look stupid.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post

    Sigh, unsupported opinion is unsupported.
    Unsupported opinion? This is common knowledge to anyone with a pulse. If you do not believe me trying googling "collusion charges." You'll get all the examples you want.

    Ive been saying for years that illegal immigration causes false wage depreciation. The primary opposition to illegal immigration is from the right. The better support we have to prevent illegal employment, the better.
    The right pretends to care about illegal immigration as a ruse to garnering votes in border states. Their fat cat constituents are making far too much money exploiting undocumented workers for GOP leaders to really be interested in curtailing it.

    As for overseas labor, no easy answers. Increased standard of living in developing countries is the only answer but its a long way from being easy to achieve.
    Eventually, labor in developing countries will organize. Indeed, it is already happening. However, by the time labor unions are firmly established there, they will be dissolved over here and the whole damn cycle of exploitation will have come round full circle.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and that is where - and why - the union is able to gain leverage in these negotiations
    otherwise the employer could simply hire scabs as the current employees initiate a strike
    Which is perfectly fine. Hiring new workers comes at a cost to businesses, so it becomes a trade off over losing short term productivity and having to pay resources to retrain new workers or giving the unions what they ask for.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Exactly. So why should we pretend unions are above the corporations they are bargaining with?
    They are not necessarily "above" the companies they bargain with, nor are they "below" them. They are two entities in a symbiotic relationship, but with separate agendas as far as issue of employee wages, benefits, etc. are concerned.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Unionized dock workers threaten to strike at 15 ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    What she should've done was get her masters, then she'd be making 6 figures. Which is something she'll probably go back and do in the next few years. I'm not complaining on behalf of my mother, she has an very high living standard taking everything into account. My point was that they are already making salaries comparable to good professional degrees, fighting for a larger salary just makes them look stupid.
    The average longshoremen is NOT making the salaries presented in the OP propaganda. I already provided a link to what longshoremen really make.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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