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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No there isn't any reason for Iran to be enriching to 20% let alone past 20%, it isn't the upper end of LEU it is the absolute threshold line between LEU and HEU. If you are attempting to argue that Iran has retained and maintained several hundred kilograms of borderline HEU because they plan on some really serious medical testing you are being ludicrous.

    As for weapons design and implosion report:

    Nuclear Weapons Design Efforts

    As the IAEA notes, these indicators raise growing questions as to whether Iran ever halted its de facto nuclear weapons program in 2003, regardless of what it may have done with its formal structure. One key indicator is its concealment of the facility at Parchin, which may have been designed to carry out explosive—but not fissile—testing of a nuclear weapons design:
    As stated in the Annex to the Director General's November 2011 report,41 information provided to the Agency by Member States indicates that Iran constructed a large explosives containment vessel in which to conduct hydrodynamic experiments. The information also indicates that this vessel was installed at the Parchin site in 2000. The location at the Parchin site of the vessel was only identified in March 2011.


    Further Moves toward an Iranian Nuclear Weapons Breakout Capability: The New IAEA Report on Iran | Center for Strategic and International Studies
    Iran dismisses claims of military site clean-up - Telegraph
    IAEA due to expose Iranian nuclear weapons design and testing facility | World news | guardian.co.uk

    IAEA due to expose Iranian nuclear weapons design and testing facility | World news | guardian.co.uk
    Ah, Parchin, you always seem to come up in these discussions. How cute. I don't feel the need to address the 20% enrichment issue, because this is a line set by the IAEA with which Iran is cooperating.

    Now, let's cover this tired old trope about this "large explosives containment vessel" at Parchin. First, there has never been a single claim of any nuclear material being moved on- or off-site at Parchin. Not that you're asserting there was, but let's just throw that out there for context. So because there has never been any observed nuclear material moved on- or off-site, the IAEA really has no justification for requesting an inspection of the site that is highly sensitive and important to Iranian national security. Any approval by the Iranian government to the IAEA for inspection would be as a courtesy, and at the government's full discretion. The IAEA, in other words, has no jurisdiction over Parchin.

    Now, let's move on to this "large explosives containment vessel," shall we? Washington Post described this vessel as a "bus-size steel container used by Iran for some of the explosives testing." In fact, it is quite easy to find a picture of what this containment vessel looks like:



    This was pulled from the Alit website, a producer of detonation nanodiamonds and with whom Dr. Danilenko is related. That is a detonation tank to create nanodiamonds, not a nuclear device. So how does this relate to nuclear weaponry at all? It doesn't!

    Quote Originally Posted by IAEA
    44. The Agency has strong indications that the development by Iran of the high explosives initiation system, and its development of the high speed diagnostic configuration used to monitor related experiments, were assisted by the work of a foreign expert who was not only knowledgeable in these technologies, but who, a Member State has informed the Agency, worked for much of his career with this technology in the nuclear weapon programme of the country of his origin. The Agency has reviewed publications by this foreign expert and has met with him. The Agency has been able to verify through three separate routes, including the expert himself, that this person [Dr. Danilenko] was in Iran from about 1996 to about 2002, ostensibly to assist Iran in the development of a facility and techniques for making ultra-dispersed diamonds (“UDDs” or “nanodiamonds”), where he also lectured on explosion physics and its applications.

    45. Furthermore, the Agency has received information from two Member States that, after 2003, Iran engaged in experimental research involving a scaled down version of the hemispherical initiation system and high explosive charge referred to in paragraph 43 above, albeit in connection with non-nuclear applications. This work, together with other studies made known to the Agency in which the same initiation system is used in cylindrical geometry [see the above image], could also be relevant to improving and optimizing the multipoint initiation design concept relevant to nuclear applications.

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    So the amount of dishonesty and/or ignorance in your post is astonishing. A detonation tank for the creation of UDD's is not an "explosion research vessel" nor is it part of any nuclear weapons testing (and even if you think it is, how the hell would that even work?). Parchin has absolutely no connection to Iran's nuclear program. Therefore, IAEA has no jurisdiction over it and thus it is not relevant to this conversation (or any single one that you will ever have).
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    BTW just wanted to throw this one out there, straight from Sherman's source:

    …With regard to the presence of particles with enrichment levels above 20% U-235…Iran’s explanation is not inconsistent with the further assessment made by the Agency since the previous report…The Agency and Iran have exchanged views on ways to avoid a recurrence of transient enrichment levels above the level stated in the DIQ.
    So let's not hear about anomalous readings above 20% being signs of a weapons-grade enrichment program anymore, mmmkay?
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This was pulled from the Alit website, a producer of detonation nanodiamonds and with whom Dr. Danilenko is related. That is a detonation tank to create nanodiamonds, not a nuclear device. So how does this relate to nuclear weaponry at all? It doesn't!

    So the amount of dishonesty and/or ignorance in your post is astonishing. A detonation tank for the creation of UDD's is not an "explosion research vessel" nor is it part of any nuclear weapons testing (and even if you think it is, how the hell would that even work?). Parchin has absolutely no connection to Iran's nuclear program. Therefore, IAEA has no jurisdiction over it and thus it is not relevant to this conversation (or any single one that you will ever have).
    Nanodiamonds (UDDs) are used in the following civilian applications: tribology, drug delivery, bioimaging and tissue engineering. Yet Iran has declared Parchin as a military research site. Why are they conducting civilian research at a location they claim is for military purposes?
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course! Why is this even a question.

    There are a myriad of agreements in the UN ratified by little, some, many or all the members. Each member is not expected to agree to all of the treaties, and each is party to various according to their own sovereign interests. Given the diversity of treaties, signatories and ratifications, it would be self-defeating to require comments and actions be restricted to personal business. As a member of the UN, one is not only entitled but obliged to address violations of agreements, whether or not one is party to any particular treaty.

    For example, non-ratified states are free to comment on and address formally any state's breaking of the Rome statutes, to include the ICC. Just because the US has not ratified Rome does not mean that the US is excluded from saying to Kenya (if they were to withdraw): "hey, wait a minute, you agreed and then withdrew after violations. This undermines the UN itself and cannot go without repercussions". Kenya will not withdraw from Rome because it would cost development dollars.

    I hope you can see the points of this lengthy explanation with an (actually happening, real life, current) example.
    I thank you Eco for your 'lengthy' reply, honestly. That said, you should have saved yourself the trouble. I did not need an expose of the inner workings at the UN. The point here (which can be applied, if it helps you understand, to your argument) that member states-simply for being a member state, are entitled the position of unfettered protagonist.
    There is a massive difference between 'criticism' and what Israel pursues. Iran should, as per NPT dictates, act accordingly but with Israel remaining outside the agreement it hands Iran the rebuke on a plate.
    Why is Israel so against signing up to the NPT?

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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Why is Israel so against signing up to the NPT?
    That's worthless, specifically, as is the accompanying post.
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's worthless, specifically, as is the accompanying post.
    Worthless? Funny how the most powerful player in International Relations disagrees

    "US President Barack Obama said Tuesday that the US Administration calls upon all nations to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, including Israel"

    Obama: Israel should sign NPT - Israel News, Ynetnews


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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Worthless? Funny how the most powerful player in International Relations disagrees

    "US President Barack Obama said Tuesday that the US Administration calls upon all nations to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, including Israel"

    Obama: Israel should sign NPT - Israel News, Ynetnews


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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is he gonna give them a new kitchen and a phone?
    i think he gave them the political equivalent of a proctological exam ... and choose not to apply any vaseline


    hope bibi enjoyed it
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i think he gave them the political equivalent of a proctological exam ... and choose not to apply any vaseline
    Is there anything you don't think of like that?

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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is there anything you don't think of like that?
    would appear the thought of sticking something up bibi's anus got you stimulated


    what i do appreciate is Obama making a point to PUBLICLY say to israel, if it wants to assert the NPT as the basis to investigate allegations of iranian nuclear weapons making, then israel must also become an NPT signatory (and make its own arsenal subject to the same UN inspection)
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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