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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    The evidence has for many years heavily indicated that they are in fact desirous of such a capability and moreover that they have been taking steps to pursue it.
    There isn't any evidence.

    If nothing else the open fact that Iran continues to enrich its uranium to 20% U-235
    20% U-235 is hardly weapons-grade. It's considered the absolute bare minimum of weapons-usable, on the upper end of LEU. It's being used in their research reactor and, in fact, was being supplied by Argentina since 1994. Interestingly, the US were the ones who provided the reactor to Iran and even supplied them with HEU to operate it between 1987 and 1994!

    In 2009 the US proposed that Iran send some LEU to Russia for enrichment to 20% which would be sent to France for manufacture. It was Tehran who rejected this proposal on the grounds of delivery concerns.

    So it's comical that you are complaining about this.

    There is no reason to do this unless you are on a weapons trajectory.
    There are plenty of reasons to enrich uranium up to and past 20% besides producing weapons (naval reactors, neutron reactors, producing medical isotopes, etc.). You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

    It is not disputed that Iran is stockpiling U-235, as well as creating other facilities and fortified reactors where some have begun to worry that enrichment in small amounts has reached higher levels for test purposes.
    "Some" people "worry[ing]" isn't proof of anything.

    The IAEA also issued a report claiming that Iran had returned, or probably more accurately had been rediscovered, to be researching warhead design and implosion triggers.
    Why don't you cite your source?

    Give a cap of 25% or 35% and say that once sustained enrichment at these levels is detected or discovered, an attack will occur.
    You are absolutely insane if you think attacking Iran is a good idea.
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
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    20% U-235 is hardly weapons-grade. It's considered the absolute bare minimum of weapons-usable, on the upper end of LEU. It's being used in their research reactor and, in fact, was being supplied by Argentina since 1994. Interestingly, the US were the ones who provided the reactor to Iran and even supplied them with HEU to operate it between 1987 and 1994!
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    You are absolutely insane if you think attacking Iran is a good idea.
    I note that you left the bolded part out of the quote:
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    If nothing else the open fact that Iran continues to enrich its uranium to 20% U-235, with particles detected upwards of 25-30%.
    A mistake perhaps...?

    And then why claim someone "thinks attacking Iran is a good idea" after he said this?:
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    A mistake perhaps...?
    No, just not really relevant. I already covered <=30% enrichment.

    And then why claim someone "thinks attacking Iran is a good idea" after he said this?:
    Because he does think attacking Iran is a good idea if they don't meet the proposed cap, which he said in the part I quoted...
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    We went through the same crap when Saddam reluctantly let inspectors in.

    These dictators that run these mideast oil countries can't be trusted. We must always be ready to attack.

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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Terrorist regimes that string up and murder gay people in public, stone women to death for showing more than an ankle in public, and brutally suppress their people deserve the benefit of the doubt apparently

    Jews not so much

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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    We went through the same crap when Saddam reluctantly let inspectors in.

    These dictators that run these mideast oil countries can't be trusted. We must always be ready to attack.
    Yea where were those weapons Saddam supposedly had?

    Yea and dont forget this:
    US Intelligence: Iran Not Making Bomb - 16 US agencies agree that Iran stopped bomb program in 2003
    " Iran apparently stopped its bomb-building program in 2003, according to a secret report circulated last year that reflects the position of 16 American intelligence agencies, as well as another national intelligence estimate compiled in 2007."

    FCNL: U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons
    "The White House, the Pentagon, U.S. intelligence, and reportedly even Israeli intelligence and leaders of the Israeli military, as well as the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) all have reached the same conclusions about Iran's nuclear program:

    1) Iran does not have a nuclear weapon-it only has a civilian nuclear program at this point
    2) Iran is not building a nuclear weapon
    3) Iran has not made the decision of whether or not to build a nuclear weapon in the future"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/wo...bomb.html?_r=0
    "Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies."


    There is little to no evidence that Iran is actively perusing a nuclear weapon many intelligence agencies agree with this, but as long as the American media, some politicians, and Israel keep up this hype this will keep on going on for ever and ever.


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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No, just not really relevant. I already covered <=30% enrichment.

    Because he does think attacking Iran is a good idea if they don't meet the proposed cap, which he said in the part I quoted...
    You covered <= 20% which accounts for medical research, but evidence of even greater enrichment cannot be justified as civilian use only.

    And I think any attack of Iran would involve airstrikes on nuclear facilities only. I would agree that a general invasion is a bad idea, but airstrikes on nuclear facilities (specifically targeting the issue) is quite workable.
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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Read more @: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog - ABC News

    Iran may allow inspectors to visit this site if the foreign threats calm down. I say we need to lower these threats, allow the IAEA to visit, and both sides come to the table immideatly. War should not be an option. Lets lower the pathetic rhetoric and have a serious talk on this issue.
    The European negotiating team has been trying meaningful discussion for some time, but to no avail. In addition, Iran has been less than cooperative with the IAEA in the past what makes you think that will change anytime soon?

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    Re: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Read more @: Iran May Open Military Site to UN Nuclear Watchdog - ABC News

    Iran may allow inspectors to visit this site if the foreign threats calm down. I say we need to lower these threats, allow the IAEA to visit, and both sides come to the table immideatly. War should not be an option. Lets lower the pathetic rhetoric and have a serious talk on this issue.
    I wonder what these "foreign threats" are that they want lowered. If it's sanctions? Then afterwards, my frienemies, after. There is no reason on earth that a nation purporting to want desperately to get out from under world scrutiny would disallow inspection of any and all facilities.

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