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Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

Reid a idiot. He honestly thinks that during a Democrat run Presidency the Republicans are going to be to blame ?

According to most polls they are getting the blame.

Plus considering the election result where many "hawks" got booted or nearly booted and the GOP lost seats in both houses and never came close to beating Obama.. and that 1.5 million more American's voted for Democratic congressmen/senate candidates than GOP (and yet the GOP managed thanks to gerrymandering of districts to get 54% of the seats in the House /clap to the system)... then yes people are blaming the Republicans.
 
Exactly. Democrats won't pass a budget, Republicans will.

There is that whole compromise thing which is how Democracies generally work. Republicans passing a bill without even a thought of compromise is useless. Sorry, the majority in this country refuse to be dictated to by the minority.
 
This is the guy the American people recently voted for. Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate - Washington Times

Cheap political game. The only thing Republicans have proven themselves good at in the past 4 years is scoring cheap political points only appreciated by their gerrymandered "safe" districts.

The writing is on the wall...either help govern or the Republican party is facing some long term problems.
 
Actually he has four years experience running the
country now.

And no, Obama is not in the same flip flop league as Romney. For the record, I merely voted for the better choice. Want another come, choose a better candidate.

How on Earth could you have come to the conclusion that O was the better candidate ?
 
According to most polls they are getting the blame.

Plus considering the election result where many "hawks" got booted or nearly booted and the GOP lost seats in both houses and never came close to beating Obama.. and that 1.5 million more American's voted for Democratic congressmen/senate candidates than GOP (and yet the GOP managed thanks to gerrymandering of districts to get 54% of the seats in the House /clap to the system)... then yes people are blaming the Republicans.

No, no they wont. I mean think about it, what useless lump of a President has to blame his predecessor 4 years into his Presidency ?

Now after 8 years of high unemployment, no growth and massive deficit spending you really think people are still going to blame Bush ?

And as far as the cliff is concerned its Obama's cliff and the only Americans dumb enough to blame this on the Republicans dont deserve consideration anyway.
 
the economic impact of Obamacare will be profound
but in a positive way
every other advanced industrial nation does not saddle its employers with the cost of health care
we did
and we did so in such a way that it cost no less than TWICE the expenditure as the next costly health care system
those costs had to be factored into every widget which was manufactured, thereby imposing a competitive disadvantage right out of the box

and now that disadvantage will disappear and our domestic businesses will be better positioned to compete with the other trading nations

LOL !!...

Wow.....Yep the CBO's original score for Obama care and it's estimated cost hasn't budged a bit huh.

And I saved "2500.00 $ " on premiums last year, just like Obama said....because you know, they're going down ?

And remember their had to be a sustained and REAL GDP growth for any of the Democrat lies to work concerning it's defecit lowering abillity.

Honestly do you ever pick up a economic or investors magazine on anything that might clue you in on how those other "advanced industrial Nations" ( what , is it the 1890s ? ) are reaaly doing ?

Were actually a Tertiary economy now, (70%) its not the industrial revolution and ObamaCare with its hidden sur taxes on dividends and its enormous cost on bussineses will have yes, a profound effect but not a positive one.

I mean you just completely ignored our horrible economy over the last four years and our likely recession or depression in the next 4 years along with the rest of thw worlds economy and made a rash and unsubstantiated statements.

Its no surprise you're a Obama supporter
 
There is that whole compromise thing which is how Democracies generally work. Republicans passing a bill without even a thought of compromise is useless. Sorry, the majority in this country refuse to be dictated to by the minority.

What compromises have the democrats proposed?
 
What compromises have the democrats proposed?

The pushed the up the tax increases to income over 400,000 and proposed the Chained CPI as the inflation index Social Security would use. They cut Social Security benefits.

The fact is, even most Republicans believe we should raise taxes on the wealthy and don't want any drastic changes to Medicare and Social Security. I have no idea what is fueling Republicans but they are receiving a deal right now that flies in the face of what the President won an election over.
 
Because they are and have not contributed one penny to the debt either. You know this too but won't admit it. You want to write off $2.7 Trillion of the hard earned wages of millions of people as mere numbers. The fact that the money was invested in the U.S. Govt. does not mean it was lost. As long as the U.S. Govt stands it will make good on that debt. And we will need EVERY PENNY.

Are not aware of this?:Social Security Ran $47.8B Deficit in FY 2012; Disabled Workers Hit New Record in December: 8,827,795 | CNS News

And this?:Social Security?s contribution to the deficit - Washington Post

And this?:Medicare Finances: Findings of the 2012 Trustees Report | National Academy of Social Insurance

You are in LaLa land sir. Both programs are contributing to the deficit, today.
 
Yes, and he's done a super job. He's balanced the budget, cut the deficit in half, raised employment numbers, and so on. At least that's what he says..

I can see why, if someone was pleased with the results of his presidency, some would vote for Obama a second time, but why do you suppose they voted for him a first time?



You voted for a leftist because you're a leftist. That's the only criteria.

You assume much. And apparently get much wrong. Not only did Bush not achieve your standard, but no reasonable person would have expected out of McCain or Romney. You sound more partisan than me.
 
How on Earth could you have come to the conclusion that O was the better candidate ?

Easily. Romney agree with him on many things. Take health care for example. Romney wanted to everything but the method to pay for it. This is irresponsible. On foreign policy, Romney all but endorsed Obama. Romney lacked any conviction and wanted to be president too badly. Most of side are hyperbolic and inaccurate in your criticism of Obama. While he has hardly been perfect, the cartoonish image your side tries to paint goes too far, leaving real and justified criticism for stupid. It is that simple.
 
I swear this is starting to read exactly like the last chapter of "1984".

Reid says fiscal cliff dive likely; blasts Boehner for lacking leadership | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

"Boehner will be to blame “if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that’s where we’re headed,” Reid insisted as the Senate returned to work for a post-Christmas session focused on disaster relief for Sandy victims and renewing key government surveillance powers."


How much does anyone want to bet that a "miraculous last minute deal" will be struck that avoids the cliff yet does absolutely nothing to address the problem? All just another well played episode of "Kick the Can", I'm afraid...

Oh and only now Reid acknowledges "we're going over the fiscal cliff?"

Democrats want to keep the same system we've had in place for the last 75 years and don't want to budge. Their only solution is "raise taxes" when it is more complicated than just that.

Republicans are more than fine with raising taxes on the top earners, however they want a decrease in spending which democrats have no desire to do. Then they (democrats) want to blame republicans?

Do democrats not understand it was reckless spending that got us to this "fiscal cliff?"
 

Notice how the poster changed the subject when his false claim was rebutted.

Conservatives!
 
I now believe that they've reached a deal behind the scenes but won't disclose it publicly. Many of the politicians want the American public to think that they are still playing poker in order to get the best deal for their side.

The details of the deal will be made public at the last possible minute, and there will be those on both political sides who think the final deal sucks.
 
I now believe that they've reached a deal behind the scenes but won't disclose it publicly. Many of the politicians want the American public to think that they are still playing poker in order to get the best deal for their side.

The details of the deal will be made public at the last possible minute, and there will be those on both political sides who think the final deal sucks.

Any real deal would have to upset both sides. We'll see if you're correct. Both sides also need the ability to posture, blame the other.
 
We are ignoring one important option. Make the Senate floor a designated gun free zone



And wait.
 
One, a country isn't a business, so being a business person has no special place as a qualification. Second, they held almost the same views. The only major difference was Romney's willingness to flip flop.

Part of the Presidents job is to oversee, and put in place policies that directly effect the economic course of the country, and a large part of that is business in America. So, yes, in these times, Romney was infinitely more qualified versus a failed community organizer/con artist like Obama.

As for the hyperbolic nonsense about Pol Pot, odd that you equation knowledge with something evil. You'll find most leaders of all movements were educated.

Just so everyone is crystal clear, you believe that Pol Pot was an "educated leader"....Wow.
 
Going over the cliff will not bring ruin to the world. The best option is a real deal that does something effective. Absent that, the cliff is the next best option.

Agreed Boo. Another stop gap would be worse than the cliff IMO. The cliff will hurt no doubt. My taxes are going to go up $200 a month, the child tax credit will be cut by $500 for me, and my profession is THE focus of all of the cuts. However, I will take all of that over a stop gap. A stop gap just leads to more suffering later ie when I'm old, can't rebound, and my kids are just going into the wonderful world of having a family and career.
 
Republicans are so cretinous they have lost and don't know it. Taxes on the rich are going up. There's no way these shills can stop it.

If we go over the cliff, the next day the Senate proposes a tax cut for working families and dares the tea party House to shoot down a tax cut. The GOP is so nihilistic they probably will, and that will mean in the next election, armageddon for the tea party
 
Republicans are so cretinous they have lost and don't know it. Taxes on the rich are going up. There's no way these shills can stop it.

If we go over the cliff, the next day the Senate proposes a tax cut for working families and dares the tea party House to shoot down a tax cut. The GOP is so nihilistic they probably will, and that will mean in the next election, armageddon for the tea party


Sadly HoJ probably has at least this sort of scenario right...Oh, and shouldn't the country be so proud of the hate filled mind that would pull this sort of political slime off? Progressives/Liberals my aren't they just so bipartisan, and full of honest brokership? I swear, I have never seen such projection clinically speaking, or so much hypocrisy in my entire life....All progressive/liberals are more times than not are angry, hypocritical, liars.

Oh, and don't bother replying, trying to have a civil conversation with some progressives is a real exercise in beating ones head into a brick wall of dishonesty. :rantoff:
 
Sadly HoJ probably has at least this sort of scenario right...Oh, and shouldn't the country be so proud of the hate filled mind that would pull this sort of political slime off? Progressives/Liberals my aren't they just so bipartisan, and full of honest brokership? I swear, I have never seen such projection clinically speaking, or so much hypocrisy in my entire life....All progressive/liberals are more times than not are angry, hypocritical, liars.

Oh, and don't bother replying, trying to have a civil conversation with some progressives is a real exercise in beating ones head into a brick wall of dishonesty. :rantoff:

our paragon of diplomacy and circumspection has thus posted
 
those are your words, not mine friend...Now, do you have something worth responding to?
from those words found above, it appears i did
 
Part of the Presidents job is to oversee, and put in place policies that directly effect the economic course of the country, and a large part of that is business in America. So, yes, in these times, Romney was infinitely more qualified versus a failed community organizer/con artist like Obama.



Just so everyone is crystal clear, you believe that Pol Pot was an "educated leader"....Wow.

No, nothing the president does is in anyway like a business. No state product or widget, no profit motive, nothing that mirrors a business. I tried to make this clear to you during the election. Even economic policies are very different than running an actual business.

An no Pol Pot was not an educational leader. You need to read that again. Being educated is not being an educational leader. You're misreading again.
 
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