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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    A half of a third is 1/6th. Does the government have 6 branches, how did you do that math? Do you mean SCOTUS, POTUS, Senate, House and I don't know what else would follow that.
    I think he meant they control the house, which is half of the legislative branch, which is 1/3rd of the fed.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My bad, Allow me to rephrase as if you didn't know what I was saying...The republican's only hold half of the house. Obama, and Reid have the Presidency, and the Senate...I think blaming it on republicans if rather silly.
    I'm not blaming it on anyone, or rather if the problem isn't solved I'm going to blame it on everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think he meant they control the house, which is half of the legislative branch, which is 1/3rd of the fed.
    Ah now that makes sense.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Of course jobs will be lost, that is what budgets are about; we the sheeple cannot have over $1.2 trillion more federal spending than we the sheeple are willing to pay taxes to support, year in and year out. The DC morons, congress critters and president alike, must learn that simple fact.
    Any solution will require tax increases and cuts, but being honest about the cost is necessary

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any solution will require tax increases and cuts, but being honest about the cost is necessary
    Unfortunately, being honest about the cost keeps getting drowned out by rhetoric. The kind of cuts that need to be made are not going to be accepted, willingly, by voters. Not as long as opposition to these cuts is a winning election strategy, that is.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Unfortunately, being honest about the cost keeps getting drowned out by rhetoric. The kind of cuts that need to be made are not going to be accepted, willingly, by voters. Not as long as opposition to these cuts is a winning election strategy, that is.
    Oh, both sides lie as an election strategy. We have to stop pretending otherwise. We also have to stop demonizing the poor and working people and pretending the wealthy are poor saps. Voters have a few disconnects, that's true. But pretending one liar is not a lair doesn't help much.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Both parties are at equal fault. There was a time in politics that the leaders of both houses -- and the minority leaders -- would put six minions in a room and say, "Don't come out of the damned door until you've found a compromise."

    Now? It's all about the blame game. Clowns, every last one of them.
    Let's not forget that it was the American people who elected these 'clowns'.

    It's been said that people get the government they deserve, and if the people didn't know this was coming they have only themselves to blame.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Let's not forget that it was the American people who elected these 'clowns'.

    It's been said that people get the government they deserve, and if the people didn't know this was coming they have only themselves to blame.
    Like or not, there really was no better alternative. Our problem is not one party over the other.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any solution will require tax increases and cuts, but being honest about the cost is necessary

    Well, not exactly...Remember when Obama thought he was so slick about calling it 'revenue'? That can be achieved by closing loopholes, such as the State tax credit. But No, Obama doesn't really care about the revenue generated by this lie of his, it is about attacking success, and dividing republicans, as well as capitalism itself. And interesting that you say spending cuts, tell me, what 'cuts' has Obama put forth?
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Like or not, there really was no better alternative. Our problem is not one party over the other.
    What do you think it is then?
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Oh, both sides lie as an election strategy. We have to stop pretending otherwise. We also have to stop demonizing the poor and working people and pretending the wealthy are poor saps. Voters have a few disconnects, that's true. But pretending one liar is not a lair doesn't help much.
    I wasn't clear in my last post. By "cuts" I also meant tax reform but I failed to state it that way.

    Cuts aren't the only thing that needs to happen, we need real tax reform, too but that one also seems to get drowned out. Real reform means that the "effective" rate that the wealthy pay will go up considerably. It's an easy argument to make that income tax rates are too high when the issue can be so easily manipulated by using top rate numbers like 39.5% and then tap dancing around the fact that no one pays anywhere near that amount because of the way our tax laws are structured. You start telling the truly rich that their effective rate is going up 5% or so and those campaign funds start drying up in a hurry.

    I'm starting to think this whole fiscal cliff fiasco may well be the only way anything meaningful will ever get done.
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