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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It doesn't matter who the president is. Cut spending and people lose jobs. Now, maybe that is the lessor of two evils, buts let's not pretend there is a course with no consequences, or blame whoever is president for the realities of the world we live in.
    Earth to Boo; many now have no jobs. The federal gov't naturally will have to cut jobs if it shrinks, that is how the world works. It is not in the Constitution that the federal gov't must remain the same size or grow larger, that is just Obama/Romney policy. Federal civil service jobs are not for life, they are for as long as they are needed; even the US military changes its size as required. Do you really think that the federal gov't should only get larger?
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Why aren't people buying then ?
    Many reasons, but largely becasue we have just been through a recession. Not to mention employment is still low. Labor is cheap, thus less to spend. Much of what has happened for decades has hurt the worker, thus giving him less free capital, and heavy personal debt. What conservaitves call for will largely hurt business. Individuals being fiscally responsible means less spending. A good thing but costly in terms of jobs, at least in short term. The to a better world will be painful, if we get their at all. And playing partisan silliness is to be part of the problem, not the solution.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Very weird way of looking at it. Nobody votes on his budget because it won't
    pass the House. The only budget the House has passed is a budget that would never pass the Senate or be signed by the President. It's a case of two groups yelling past each other. I'm actually being generous here in my view.
    The Senate can ammend it and send it back. Truth is the Senate has purposely been avoiding a budget because that would make them accountable as Obama breaks records on deficit spending.

    Congress is supposed to debate these bills and then decide. Its how its been done for decades.

    What changed ?

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Earth to Boo; many now have no jobs. The federal gov't naturally will have to cut jobs if it shrinks, that is how the world works. It is not in the Constitution that the federal gov't must remain the same size or grow larger, that is just Obama/Romney policy. Federal civil service jobs are not for life, they are for as long as they are needed; even the US military changes its size as required. Do you really think that the federal gov't should only get larger?
    Do try hard to get what I'm actually saying. I only want honesty. There may be reason to lose those jobs. But honesty demands we admit they will be lost.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Senate can ammend it and send it back. Truth is the Senate has purposely been avoiding a budget because that would make them accountable as Obama breaks records on deficit spending.

    Congress is supposed to debate these bills and then decide. Its how its been done for decades.

    What changed ?
    Sure...they could amend it and send it back. I think both the House and Senate are pretty sure or at least where each other stand. I think there's a recognition that something like the Ryan Budget would never pass the House and the amendments made to the Ryan budget in order for it to pass the Senate would never pass the house.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You dont make a " deal " thats going to make things worse.

    Removing the debt limt and no reforms on entitlments with tax increases ?

    The Republicans should walk away.
    So your solution is to do nothing and let us go over the cliff then blame it on Obama?

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ya why should they care about suffering, chronic unemployment, and dependence as long as its someone else's fault. Now that's a party I can vote for!

    Everyone needs to sit down, ****ing get over themselves, and make a deal happen.
    Oh come on now....The repubs have one half of one third of the government. Obama has been playing a very cynical game of fomenting a civil war within the republican party....Congradulations Mr. President, you are succeeding....Even Nero would be proud.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh come on now....The repubs have one half of one third of the government. Obama has been playing a very cynical game of fomenting a civil war within the republican party....Congradulations Mr. President, you are succeeding....Even Nero would be proud.
    A half of a third is 1/6th. Does the government have 6 branches, how did you do that math? Do you mean SCOTUS, POTUS, Senate, House and I don't know what else would follow that.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do try hard to get what I'm actually saying. I only want honesty. There may be reason to lose those jobs. But honesty demands we admit they will be lost.
    Of course jobs will be lost, that is what budgets are about; we the sheeple cannot have over $1.2 trillion more federal spending than we the sheeple are willing to pay taxes to support, year in and year out. The DC morons, congress critters and president alike, must learn that simple fact.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    A half of a third is 1/6th. Does the government have 6 branches, how did you do that math? Do you mean SCOTUS, POTUS, Senate, House and I don't know what else would follow that.
    My bad, Allow me to rephrase as if you didn't know what I was saying...The republican's only hold half of the house. Obama, and Reid have the Presidency, and the Senate...I think blaming it on republicans if rather silly.
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