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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Your conclusions are kind of ironic when you consider that over-spending and over-indulgence by our government is what gave rise to the tea party in the first place.
    yes the overspending, cut revenue ways the GOP bribed their way into power. 'Conservatives' seem unable to recall the massive debt Reagan and BushII ran up.

    But now almost every economist agrees revenues must be increased and spending cuts made, and not just 'entitlements'. Last I heard President Obama put 200 billion on the table in cuts that is over and above what has already been done.

    So from where I sit it is the Tea Party refusing to go along with ANY attempt at compromise. It is as if to say the 18% who self identify as Tea Party members want to run the government even though their party lost the Presidential election, lost seats in both the House and Senate and they are a minority even within their own party.

    Not ironic, more like pathetic

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    oh my G-d, how awful

    it's not like most families with a mortgage have a long term debt between 200-300% of their annual income
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    oh my G-d, how awful

    it's not like most families with a mortgage have a long term debt between 200-300% of their annual income
    ....don't MOST families pay more than the interest on their long-term debt?
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    I'm honestly near the point where I'm ready to go "you know what, **** it. Tax cuts expire. There you go Democrats, you have your increase in revenue that you say is one half of the equation. Now, figure out how to cut spending to remove the rest of the deficit".

    Of course both sides won't do that because the Democrats will cling to all domestic spending, the Republicans will cling to all defense spending, and both sides will bat around the notion of entitlement reform but ultimately do jack **** because they're afraid of pissing off constituents. We'll have some grand plan where we'll "Cut" funding which will actually mean "Instead of saying we can spend 8% more this year we'll say we can only spend 3% more! Aren't We Great!!!!" and the same old **** will continue.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    oh my G-d, how awful

    it's not like most families with a mortgage have a long term debt between 200-300% of their annual income
    Here's another way of looking at it.

    Right now the government takes in about 2.3 Trillion in tax revenue and we are about 16 Trillion in debt. That's the equivalent to someone with a $50,000/year salary trying to make the payments on $350,000 worth of stuff. The math doesn't work.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Reid a idiot. He honestly thinks that during a Democrat run Presidency the Republicans are going to be to blame ?

    Nope.

    Obama and Reid are willing to sacrifice the economy of the Country because their priorities are not a healthy economy but to attempt to destroy the Republicans and to redistribute money.

    ITs Obamas cliff, why should the Republicans care.

    End result Obamas going to associated with 8 years of suffering, chronic unemployment and dependence.

    Hes going to be associated with a Country that saw States and the Federal Treasury go bankrupt during his term.
    Who is blocking the Senate bill that would keep taxes the same for 98% of us? When you figure that out you will know who will be blamed.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Who is blocking the Senate bill that would keep taxes the same for 98% of us? When you figure that out you will know who will be blamed.
    What does that bill offer in terms of spending cuts?
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    yes the overspending, cut revenue ways the GOP bribed their way into power. 'Conservatives' seem unable to recall the massive debt Reagan and BushII ran up.

    But now almost every economist agrees revenues must be increased and spending cuts made, and not just 'entitlements'. Last I heard President Obama put 200 billion on the table in cuts that is over and above what has already been done.

    So from where I sit it is the Tea Party refusing to go along with ANY attempt at compromise. It is as if to say the 18% who self identify as Tea Party members want to run the government even though their party lost the Presidential election, lost seats in both the House and Senate and they are a minority even within their own party.

    Not ironic, more like pathetic
    Which economists? You mean the Krugman's of the world? You're just spouting a bunch of nonsensical gibberish you don't understand. It's embarrassing.

    President Obama is spending 5.60$ for every 1$ of actual REAL wealth created in the private economy. He has to borrow or print the rest. 200B (which is actually just a percentage cut off of spending increases. The spending increases are still happening) when he's running trillion+ yearly deficits? You're joking right? I mean how can anyone possibly have a conversation with you without laughing in your face? You are EXTREME. Obama's "budget" is 3.7 trillion for 1 year. That isn't sustainable. I don't care how much you whine and stomp your feet about evil rich people and the Tea Party, the US Government cannot sustain spending at that level. Not even for another 4 years. The dollar WILL collapse under the weight and guess what happens after that? EBT cards suddenly stop working. Your debit card becomes a useless piece of plastic. But we get it. Trust in Obama right? He cares. He really does understand Economics or something and would never LIE right? Wrong.

    Have you ever met Barack Obama? Why should anyone believe your assurances, or that of a corrupt press for that matter, that he has the best interest of the US at heart? What has ever done as President, or in his life for that matter, that would assuage fears that he wants the US Economy to grow and prosper? Taxing the evil rich is not going to grow the Economy. "Every Economist" knows that. Even Obama has stated this his first term, so what are we really all talking about here? We have extreme hard left fanatical posters who just obfuscate the issue with posts like "The Tea Party sucks" or they make jokes like we're all building bunkers or something like that's an argument. Meanwhile the Economy is grinding to a halt.

    None of you parrots chirping the Obama talking points have any answers. You just keep trying to create black and white strawman where we either have to choose evil Republicans or corrupt Democrats. As far as I'm concerned both parties are complicit in this theft. Your children are going to have pay for all this one way the other. It's a gravy train being paid for on all the credit from our past that we built up. The bubble to end all bubbles. We're the broke "rich guy" who is keeping up pretenses by driving our credit into the ground. It WILL end. Not even the power of the US Government, and it's vast, can keep the cosmic forces of economics at bay. It will come a calling and I already know what your response will be. "It's Bush's fault.", "It's the rich people's fault. Get em!" or some other mob emotionally created scapegoat that the weak minded always fall prey to.

    These arguments from the left are laughable. This is the same party who torched Bush for having a 400B deficit. Now they champion trillion+ deficits per year like zombies, firmly brainwashed by Collectivist Ideology. 30 of the 50 states are now run by Republican Governors. We've gained Governorships in every election since 2008. Republicans still control the House. The country is pretty much divided right down the middle between Collectivist Authoritarians and sane people.

    We are going to oppose your radical and misguided agenda every step of the way. Better get used to it.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    oh my G-d, how awful

    it's not like most families with a mortgage have a long term debt between 200-300% of their annual income
    This is your argument? Are you kidding me right now? lol

    We are running trillion+ deficits every YEAR. Does a middle class family earning 50K a year buy a million dollar home PER YEAR?

    Add inflation, rising cost of commodities and gas. Incomes that are falling, not increasing, ect. ect. ect.


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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Democrats can’t put together a plan on their own
    How telling is that? Harry Reid even says they don't know what to do. And you jackasses voted for these people. Screw the cliff. You voted for Democrats, now you get their mess.

    By the way, I also thought it was hilarious that Reid chastised the republicans for not being in Washington while Obama was boarding Air Force One in Hawaii.
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