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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Mitch saw his hand picked candidate for the Junior Senate seat in Kentucky lose to Paul Ryan...
    I believe you meant Rand Paul. Paul Ryan is a Wisconsin Congressman and was Mitt Romney's VP nominee.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Actually. Everybody will be to blame. But only the people will suffer.

    Harry Reid just wants to avoid taking on more responsibility. He successfully managed, for 3 years, to not pass ANY budget and effectively, not doing ANYTHING while still receiving a fat paycheck and lobby interest group money, and now he wants people to believe the it's the other guys' fault alone. And guess what, some may even believe him.
    Yep. Since federal spending was elevated (20%) from 2007/8 to 2008/9, due to the "one time", crisis, emergency actions (no pay go required) of TARP and stimulus 1 the demorats wanted to keep those borrowed dollars flowing, so only continuing resolutions were acceptable "budget" actions. That way congress and Obama could claim not to "increase" federal spending. Of course the MSM did not notice this charade and touted Obama's and Reid's fiscal wizardry as being "responsible" spending control, because we really had only a revenue problem.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I read an article earlier that said as of January 1st, individuals making over 200k (250k for couples) are going to see a 3.8% tax increase on investment income, in addition to a 0.9% increase in payroll taxes. The former goes into the government's general fund, the latter into the Medicare fund....all a part of the ACA.

    In addition to that, Obama's proposal asks for (I think) a 4% increase on the top income tax bracket. Boehner has already conceded, in part, on taxes for the "rich". Where are the spending concessions? Last I heard, the house-passed bill and the senate-passed bill are several hundred billion apart on spending. I didn't realize compromise was a one-way street these days. Nor was I aware that the senate's most pressing issue is apparent disaster relief funding (this, after no budget in how many years? No contribution via proposals for the fiscal cliff? Nothing but finger pointing and ridiculous demands???).

    I'm sick of it. People rail about a lack of bipartisanship, but who's putting Reid to task on the left? Everybody, the media included, is approaching this as if Boehner and Obama are the only two people with any responsibility to address this issue. That's bull****. The senate is more than capable of coming to the table with proposals and working with the house and the president to compare/contrast. Instead, they sit around like petulant children. Honestly? I'm not even pissed at Obama. At least he's doing SOMETHING, even if I disagree with his proposal. Nor am I pissed at Boehner. The house republicans and the entire senate, on the other hand? Give me a goddamned break.
    Democrats have already moved more than halfway from the starting points on spending cuts, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It is an amazing time. The party that is self-described as the Leadership Party is in complete disarray from internal revolution. The Leadership in the GOP is more worried about their re-election than the fiscal cliff. the Tea Party which couldn't deliver a strong conservative candidate for President, lost seats in both the Senate and House still holds a knife to the cojones of Boehner and McConnell.

    Mitch saw his hand picked candidate for the Junior Senate seat in Kentucky lose to Paul Ryan, he has good reason to not go on the record compromising with the democrats over taxes. Boehner got trimmed pretty good when he met President Obama on the threshold for the Tax cut. His GOP house members couldn't give him the votes he needed to pass the 1 million dollar income threshold. That is not even close to the original 250,000 or the compromise 400,000 offered by the President.

    It is going to take something very dramatic for the holdouts in the GOP to budge. Seems more like fanatic last ditch fatalism than prudent governance. The GOP hold-outs seem determined to go over the cliff than admit elections do have consequences and a majority think their stance is too far to the right.

    I don't think most citizens will have a problem identifying the tea party as a problem, not a solution...
    Your conclusions are kind of ironic when you consider that over-spending and over-indulgence by our government is what gave rise to the tea party in the first place.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Democrats have already moved more than halfway from the starting points on spending cuts, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from.
    What moves have the democrats made, specifically? Not Obama, but the democrats. Because near as I can tell, they haven't submitted a plan of their own to compromise on.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Boehner has said he will reconvene the House when the Senate passes something. Ball is in their court.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Democrats have already moved more than halfway from the starting points on spending cuts, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from.
    What is your idea of that "starting point for spending cuts"? Mine is the amount of the sequestration cuts, i.e. current law. Cutting less spending than that is, therefore, really just a spending increase. Do you follow that simple line of thinking?
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I give the dollar about 6 months

    and be assured that the depth of analysis used to 'craft' that bold prediction has been recognized
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Boehner has said he will reconvene the House when the Senate passes something. Ball is in their court.
    and here i believed that appropriations was the house's responsibility
    appears boner showed me
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

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    Are you ready for the total economic collapse? Been stockpiling and all that?
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