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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You have been listening to way too much right-wing propaganda. If you look at real stats, you will see that the federal government has SHRUNK under Obama in term of actual numbers.
    Name one year of Obama federal spending that was less than that of 2007. Adding 20 and then subtracting 2 is not a net reduction.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No....I don't support that lack of responsibility either. But...the reality is that those of you who so often cry about the rich being able to keep "more of their money"....do exactly the same thing. You don't want to accept any responsibility for people paying back into a system that allowed them to accumulate their wealth.
    You are taking a lot of shortcuts in your analysis. it is a false choice that people who oppose the tax increases do so for corporate CEO's. You might want to consider that they oppose them because they oppose what the money is being spent on.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What "entitlements" are you talking about? Social security? Medicare?
    Yes, but beyond that to the OTHER 80 federal "public assistance" (poverty?) programs based on income level as well. You do realize the we the sheeple now spend about $60K per family per year for "welfare" (in all of its many forms), while the US median family income is below that level.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ty_657889.html

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

    http://www.alipac.us/f19/welfare-cli...5-03-a-268887/
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its a start in the right direction and helps stem what would otherwise be huge cuts to the defense department. The bottom line is....why is the gop willing to hold the middle class and working classes hostage in order to keep huge tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans? Luckily....the overwhelming majority of the American people see what is going on and get it. I don't believe that the GOP could play this any worse that they have. The must want to become a regional party for the forseeable future.
    The Bush tax cuts went to the people who pay the taxes. Democrats are the ones who put us here. Democrats insisted that the Bush tax rates would have to expire. There are not cuts in tax rates. There are current rates, the ones we have been paying for years, and there are the Clinton rates that we will begin paying tomorrow.

    I am delighted. I have been hearing for a very long time from the liberal-progressive-socialist types that the path to prosperity comes through steeply progressive income taxes. An early estimate on my taxes shows they will go up by around $10K. That money used to pay for an occasional worker who helped out for a few hours every week. I told him I would no longer be able to pay him as I needed to pay the government instead. He complained that he did not vote for Obama. Nor did I. But enough takers did that we are stuck with the worst excesses of a government bent toward tyranny. He and I will both be worse off. The money will disappear in Washington.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The Bush tax cuts went to the people who pay the taxes. Democrats are the ones who put us here. Democrats insisted that the Bush tax rates would have to expire. There are not cuts in tax rates. There are current rates, the ones we have been paying for years, and there are the Clinton rates that we will begin paying tomorrow.

    I am delighted. I have been hearing for a very long time from the liberal-progressive-socialist types that the path to prosperity comes through steeply progressive income taxes. An early estimate on my taxes shows they will go up by around $10K. That money used to pay for an occasional worker who helped out for a few hours every week. I told him I would no longer be able to pay him as I needed to pay the government instead. He complained that he did not vote for Obama. Nor did I. But enough takers did that we are stuck with the worst excesses of a government bent toward tyranny. He and I will both be worse off. The money will disappear in Washington.
    I think you must suffer from the typical GOP mindset...i.e.....if it failed the first 20 times, do it again, because maybe it will work the 21st time. You talk about Clinton and Bush. Just take a look at the economy under Clinton vs. the economy under Bush. If the answer isn't glaring to you than you will never see the errors of your thinking.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I think you must suffer from the typical GOP mindset...i.e.....if it failed the first 20 times, do it again, because maybe it will work the 21st time. You talk about Clinton and Bush. Just take a look at the economy under Clinton vs. the economy under Bush. If the answer isn't glaring to you than you will never see the errors of your thinking.
    I think you are making the mistake of taking the last 3 months out of an 8 year term, and projecting that out to the entirety of the 8 years, for partisan purposes. But a comprehensive look at facts don't support your view of what Bush's term was.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I think you must suffer from the typical GOP mindset...i.e.....if it failed the first 20 times, do it again, because maybe it will work the 21st time. You talk about Clinton and Bush. Just take a look at the economy under Clinton vs. the economy under Bush. If the answer isn't glaring to you than you will never see the errors of your thinking.
    My guess is that you have simplified all of history sufficient to put it on a bumper sticker. And that is why you fail.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think you are making the mistake of taking the last 3 months out of an 8 year term, and projecting that out to the entirety of the 8 years, for partisan purposes. But a comprehensive look at facts don't support your view of what Bush's term was.
    LOL.....only in the eyes of a true Bush apologist. GWB was an utter failure....for a hell of a lot more than his last 3 months.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL.....only in the eyes of a true Bush apologist. GWB was an utter failure....for a hell of a lot more than his last 3 months.
    GWB was not a failure, Obama is a amateur and a failure, no experience, just a headstrong donkey ass.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by cado20 View Post
    GWB was not a failure, Obama is a amateur and a failure, no experience, just a headstrong donkey ass.
    LOL....you must be one of the 28% who think so. GWB was the Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century and will always be remembered as such.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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