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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the economic impact of Obamacare will be profound
    but in a positive way
    every other advanced industrial nation does not saddle its employers with the cost of health care
    we did
    and we did so in such a way that it cost no less than TWICE the expenditure as the next costly health care system
    those costs had to be factored into every widget which was manufactured, thereby imposing a competitive disadvantage right out of the box

    and now that disadvantage will disappear and our domestic businesses will be better positioned to compete with the other trading nations
    LOL !!...

    Wow.....Yep the CBO's original score for Obama care and it's estimated cost hasn't budged a bit huh.

    And I saved "2500.00 $ " on premiums last year, just like Obama said....because you know, they're going down ?

    And remember their had to be a sustained and REAL GDP growth for any of the Democrat lies to work concerning it's defecit lowering abillity.

    Honestly do you ever pick up a economic or investors magazine on anything that might clue you in on how those other "advanced industrial Nations" ( what , is it the 1890s ? ) are reaaly doing ?

    Were actually a Tertiary economy now, (70%) its not the industrial revolution and ObamaCare with its hidden sur taxes on dividends and its enormous cost on bussineses will have yes, a profound effect but not a positive one.

    I mean you just completely ignored our horrible economy over the last four years and our likely recession or depression in the next 4 years along with the rest of thw worlds economy and made a rash and unsubstantiated statements.

    Its no surprise you're a Obama supporter

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    There is that whole compromise thing which is how Democracies generally work. Republicans passing a bill without even a thought of compromise is useless. Sorry, the majority in this country refuse to be dictated to by the minority.
    What compromises have the democrats proposed?
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    What compromises have the democrats proposed?
    The pushed the up the tax increases to income over 400,000 and proposed the Chained CPI as the inflation index Social Security would use. They cut Social Security benefits.

    The fact is, even most Republicans believe we should raise taxes on the wealthy and don't want any drastic changes to Medicare and Social Security. I have no idea what is fueling Republicans but they are receiving a deal right now that flies in the face of what the President won an election over.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Because they are and have not contributed one penny to the debt either. You know this too but won't admit it. You want to write off $2.7 Trillion of the hard earned wages of millions of people as mere numbers. The fact that the money was invested in the U.S. Govt. does not mean it was lost. As long as the U.S. Govt stands it will make good on that debt. And we will need EVERY PENNY.
    Are not aware of this?:Social Security Ran $47.8B Deficit in FY 2012; Disabled Workers Hit New Record in December: 8,827,795 | CNS News

    And this?:Social Security?s contribution to the deficit - Washington Post

    And this?:Medicare Finances: Findings of the 2012 Trustees Report | National Academy of Social Insurance

    You are in LaLa land sir. Both programs are contributing to the deficit, today.
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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, and he's done a super job. He's balanced the budget, cut the deficit in half, raised employment numbers, and so on. At least that's what he says..

    I can see why, if someone was pleased with the results of his presidency, some would vote for Obama a second time, but why do you suppose they voted for him a first time?



    You voted for a leftist because you're a leftist. That's the only criteria.
    You assume much. And apparently get much wrong. Not only did Bush not achieve your standard, but no reasonable person would have expected out of McCain or Romney. You sound more partisan than me.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    How on Earth could you have come to the conclusion that O was the better candidate ?
    Easily. Romney agree with him on many things. Take health care for example. Romney wanted to everything but the method to pay for it. This is irresponsible. On foreign policy, Romney all but endorsed Obama. Romney lacked any conviction and wanted to be president too badly. Most of side are hyperbolic and inaccurate in your criticism of Obama. While he has hardly been perfect, the cartoonish image your side tries to paint goes too far, leaving real and justified criticism for stupid. It is that simple.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I swear this is starting to read exactly like the last chapter of "1984".

    Reid says fiscal cliff dive likely; blasts Boehner for lacking leadership | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

    "Boehner will be to blame “if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that’s where we’re headed,” Reid insisted as the Senate returned to work for a post-Christmas session focused on disaster relief for Sandy victims and renewing key government surveillance powers."


    How much does anyone want to bet that a "miraculous last minute deal" will be struck that avoids the cliff yet does absolutely nothing to address the problem? All just another well played episode of "Kick the Can", I'm afraid...
    Oh and only now Reid acknowledges "we're going over the fiscal cliff?"

    Democrats want to keep the same system we've had in place for the last 75 years and don't want to budge. Their only solution is "raise taxes" when it is more complicated than just that.

    Republicans are more than fine with raising taxes on the top earners, however they want a decrease in spending which democrats have no desire to do. Then they (democrats) want to blame republicans?

    Do democrats not understand it was reckless spending that got us to this "fiscal cliff?"

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Notice how the poster changed the subject when his false claim was rebutted.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    I now believe that they've reached a deal behind the scenes but won't disclose it publicly. Many of the politicians want the American public to think that they are still playing poker in order to get the best deal for their side.

    The details of the deal will be made public at the last possible minute, and there will be those on both political sides who think the final deal sucks.

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    Re: Harry Reid: "We're going over the cliff"

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    I now believe that they've reached a deal behind the scenes but won't disclose it publicly. Many of the politicians want the American public to think that they are still playing poker in order to get the best deal for their side.

    The details of the deal will be made public at the last possible minute, and there will be those on both political sides who think the final deal sucks.
    Any real deal would have to upset both sides. We'll see if you're correct. Both sides also need the ability to posture, blame the other.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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