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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Maybe in a blue state. In Texas not so much.
    Or California. Or any other state with castle defense laws.

    This isn't a black-and-white, or should I say red-and-blue, issue.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

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    I have owned at least one gun for the last 38+ years; friends shot = 0, family members shot = 0, doing one of these things = 1. I would much rather be judged by twelve than be carried by six. When seconds really matter the police are only minutes away. More people wearing shoes with no gun are shot than those wearing shoes and carrying guns. Statistics are only as good as their source.

    Well put.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    I have no problem with people knowing I have guns.

    ee087s - protected smith and wesson.jpg

    As for someone burgling my place, I have other defenses for that.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

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    Well put.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    My oldest daughter's college has a known policy of no firearms allowed on campus and it is grounds for explusion - meaning anyone walking off campus is known to certainly be unarmed. There are now literally numerous muggings and violent assaults mostly against it openly known unarmed women who leave campus - include now groups of women - and the incidents are growing generally within 1 to 2 blocks of campus. Campus security can not act off campus.

    So the campus now is urging no students to leave campus. Particularly since it has become known that these assaults are literally part of a gang initiation requirement - to assault one or more students of her campus. The response of the university is to urge no one to leave campus.

    Her's is a liberal perspective university in general.

    I've noticed that is the expectation of many liberals now. 1.) That it is essentially criminal not to mind your own business - meaning a legal duty to be totally apathetic towards others in terms of protect and coming to their aid and 2.) to hide. To look out your window to see if anyone is around - and then with key in hand run as fast as you can to get in your car, lock the door and drive off (sitting low) straight to where you are going - and only if you must.

    Thus, if people would just voluntarily imprison and isolate themselves, there would be less violent crimes and less gun violence.
    - - - - -

    As a footnote, my daughter with a couple other concerned students made a formal inquiry of whether campus police are "police" or "security" - meaning whether they have a right to frisk/search anyone? The answer is they are only security and have no right to search or frisk any student.

    Her and the student's response? "Well, I guess that solves the problem." The campus administrator asked "what problem?" Response? "oh, never mind, don't worry about it." And they are spreading the word. I suspect a wannabe gang member or 2 are in for quite surprise fairly soon. No rule against having a firearm off campus and sort of hard to know when a person actually came into exact possession of it. Whatjathink?

    The anti-gun folks have a lot of slogans - untrue ones - of "you're more likely to shoot a relative or friend than use a gun to stop a crime." But those are just false slogans. No one was ever accidentally raped, violently assaulted, murdered, mugged or robbed.

    Here is a statistic that matters, too bad someone hasn't tried to calculated it. 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 (depending whose statistics you believe) women will be sexually assaulted in their life time. Or about 35,000,000 women in this country.

    What percentage of those women had a firearm in her possession when she was assaulted - and what percentage did not. Anyone care to guess?

    Anti gun liberals don't care about that. They only care about gun-deaths. And NEVER bother to say which were criminals killed in the commission of a crime - because they don't care about crime. They only care about guns.

    As one member suggests, a woman shouldn't use a gun to prevent being raped because she then might get questioned by the police. Better to just get raped and then let the police file a report.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Thousands of critics – including some journalism professionals – have weighed in. And at least one blogger has retaliated by publishing the names and addresses of editors and executives at the Journal News, the publication headquartered in White Plains, N.Y., north of New York City and part of the Gannett organization.

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    Among the most outspoken critics of the Journal News’s controversial gun map project is lawyer and author Charles Fountain, who blogs at “For What It’s Worth.”

    This week, he published the names, addresses and other contact information for the newspaper's publisher, editor, and other staff members connected with the news story and map. (In an “Editor’s note,” the newspaper already had acknowledged that reporter Dwight R. Worley, who wrote the story, “owns a Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum and has had a residence permit in New York City for that weapon since February 2011.”)

    "Somehow, [The Journal News was] conflating legal gun owners with some crazed, tormented devil up in Newtown and putting the two together, and I was offended by that and I wondered how they'd like it if their addresses were published,” Mr. Fountain said on CNN.

    Gun owner map ricochet: Blogger publishes journalists' personal data - CSMonitor.com

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    My oldest daughter's college has a known policy of no firearms allowed on campus and it is grounds for explusion - meaning anyone walking off campus is known to certainly be unarmed. There are now literally numerous muggings and violent assaults mostly against it openly known unarmed women who leave campus - include now groups of women - and the incidents are growing generally within 1 to 2 blocks of campus. Campus security can not act off campus.

    So the campus now is urging no students to leave campus. Particularly since it has become known that these assaults are literally part of a gang initiation requirement - to assault one or more students of her campus. The response of the university is to urge no one to leave campus.

    Her's is a liberal perspective university in general.

    I've noticed that is the expectation of many liberals now. 1.) That it is essentially criminal not to mind your own business - meaning a legal duty to be totally apathetic towards others in terms of protect and coming to their aid and 2.) to hide. To look out your window to see if anyone is around - and then with key in hand run as fast as you can to get in your car, lock the door and drive off (sitting low) straight to where you are going - and only if you must.

    Thus, if people would just voluntarily imprison and isolate themselves, there would be less violent crimes and less gun violence.
    - - - - -

    As a footnote, my daughter with a couple other concerned students made a formal inquiry of whether campus police are "police" or "security" - meaning whether they have a right to frisk/search anyone? The answer is they are only security and have no right to search or frisk any student.

    Her and the student's response? "Well, I guess that solves the problem." The campus administrator asked "what problem?" Response? "oh, never mind, don't worry about it." And they are spreading the word. I suspect a wannabe gang member or 2 are in for quite surprise fairly soon. No rule against having a firearm off campus and sort of hard to know when a person actually came into exact possession of it. Whatjathink?

    The anti-gun folks have a lot of slogans - untrue ones - of "you're more likely to shoot a relative or friend than use a gun to stop a crime." But those are just false slogans. No one was ever accidentally raped, violently assaulted, murdered, mugged or robbed.

    Here is a statistic that matters, too bad someone hasn't tried to calculated it. 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 (depending whose statistics you believe) women will be sexually assaulted in their life time. Or about 35,000,000 women in this country.

    What percentage of those women had a firearm in her possession when she was assaulted - and what percentage did not. Anyone care to guess?

    Anti gun liberals don't care about that. They only care about gun-deaths. And NEVER bother to say which were criminals killed in the commission of a crime - because they don't care about crime. They only care about guns.

    As one member suggests, a woman shouldn't use a gun to prevent being raped because she then might get questioned by the police. Better to just get raped and then let the police file a report.
    I believe that states should allow college campuses that so choose to carry guns, except in dorms, fraternities, sororities, and buildings where firearms might be inherently dangerous. Specifically, states should not force colleges to allow students to carry or not carry, but they should allow colleges to set their own gun policy that conforms to the laws of the land.

    The reason I don't want guns in dorms or frat houses is because depression is a serious problem in colleges, and I can guarantee you that letting students have guns in dorms would lead to an increase in suicides.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I believe that states should allow college campuses that so choose to carry guns, except in dorms, fraternities, sororities, and buildings where firearms might be inherently dangerous. Specifically, states should not force colleges to allow students to carry or not carry, but they should allow colleges to set their own gun policy that conforms to the laws of the land.

    The reason I don't want guns in dorms or frat houses is because depression is a serious problem in colleges, and I can guarantee you that letting students have guns in dorms would lead to an increase in suicides.
    That's reasonable and the solution to that is gun lockers (then also for high value personal items).

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That's reasonable and the solution to that is gun lockers (then also for high value personal items).
    OK, I could go for that.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar....



    NEW YORK (Reuters) - A suburban New York newspaper that sparked an uproar among gun enthusiasts by publishing names and addresses of residents holding pistol permits is now planning to publish even more identities of permit-toting locals.

    Further names and addresses will be added as they become available to a map originally published on December 24 in the White Plains, New York-based Journal News, the newspaper said.

    The original map listed thousands of pistol permit holders in suburban Westchester and Rockland counties just north of New York City.

    Along with an article entitled "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," the map was compiled in response to the December 14 shooting deaths of 26 children and adults in Newtown, Connecticut, editors of the Gannett Corp.-owned newspaper said.

    The next batch of names will be permit holders in suburban Putnam County, New York, where the county clerk told the newspaper it is still compiling information.

    Republican state Senator Greg Ball of Patterson, New York, said he planned to introduce legislation to keep permit information private except to prosecutors and police.

    A similar bill that he introduced earlier as an Assemblyman failed in the state Assembly.

    "The asinine editors at the Journal News have once again gone out of their way to place a virtual scarlet letter on law abiding firearm owners throughout the region," Ball wrote on his Senate web site.

    But media critic Al Tompkins of the Florida-based Poynter Institute wrote online this week that the newspaper's reporting had not gone far enough to justify the permit holders' loss of privacy.

    "If journalists could show flaws in the gun permitting system, that would be newsworthy," he said. "Or, for example, if gun owners were exempted from permits because of political connections, then journalists could better justify the privacy invasion.".....snip~

    New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar - Yahoo! News
    Reuters – 1 hr 24 mins ago<<<<< More here!

    Seems the Journal is not done and they will put out more names.

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