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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Either way the newspaper will immediately cite 1st Amendment Rights. Under Free Speech. Yet I wonder how many working there for that newspaper thought this was the Right thing to do. As Mr Nick just stated.....whats to prevent other lists from being published?

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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Either way the newspaper will immediately cite 1st Amendment Rights. Under Free Speech. Yet I wonder how many working there for that newspaper thought this was the Right thing to do. As Mr Nick just stated.....whats to prevent other lists from being published?
    Of course, they will claim First Amendment rights while trying to destroy the Second Amendment..

    As a libertarian I view the Bill of Rights and US Constitution as a all-or-nothing scenario. One either believes in all amendments or believes in none. Sadly progressives generally pick and choose.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    From the original article:
    The map indicates the addresses of all pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties. Each dot represents an individual permit holder licensed to own a handgun a pistol or revolver. The data does not include owners of long guns rifles or shotguns which can be purchased without a permit. Being included in this map does not mean the individual at a specific location owns a weapon, just that they are licensed to do so.....
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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Really?

    What if a newspaper published the names of all known homosexuals in the paper?

    Of course I could simply and snugly say "well if you don't want to be a target don't be gay."
    Or maybe people could start thinking beyond their prejudices and say it is OK to be gay and then there would not be any problem. How does it feel? Not a great feeling right? Maybe the next time you see some idiot using the word gay or fag in some sort of negative contect you smack them upside the head for being a moron. Or we could all just say this is part of life and enjoy stuff like this. Oh but some people are for freedom to have guns, and not for freedom to diddle people in the ass. A little solidarity and you might find some other people who would say hey don't do that, but when the votes against gay marriage, or the votes against birth control, or the people trying to pass laws to keep black from voting as much, or the people who want to pull over and investigate anyone who looks hispanic you really come off just as spoiled and selfish as the welfare queen who hates white people. because I can go either way with guns, and there are a whole lot of people like me, so give the world of people a little more respect, and if you are already doing it go cuff the dumbass friend of yours who makes all the stupid comments in the back of the head. because we can all behave like adults and start recognizing we should all take responsibility for ourselves and stop worrying about that other guy who is doing something we find disgusting but yet doesn't effect us at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You see, my position on this issue is that the paper had no right to post that information. I suppose some are proud to be known to own guns and will certainly blow a persons cap off if they even attempt to break into their homes, while others would rather have the notion they own a firearm confidential...
    though you may object to the listing the paper had every right to do so. The records are public. The problem you are having is actually not with the paper believe it or not. It is with the people who use guns for the wrong purposes and screw things up for everyone else. There is a big opportunity here for the non-gun owners, and the good gun owners to come together to pass some sort of way to weed out the crap. Instead the gun owners are willing to do nothing, and the other side seems to be the people who want to ban guns, and no good middle ground is getting presented. That is the fault of extremists, and they do not have the mental capacity to think in terms of real regulation while allowing those with the drive to posses a firearm a path to do so. They just talk about ban or not. I will agree a full on ban would be hard to implement and take years to really get going considering how many guns are out there. I am also pretty sure that before any of that gets done the government has to legalize drugs or else they are just going to make another cash cow for criminals.

    yeah, you are right, i don't even think the idea i am arguing about will work well. As a matter of fact i know it won't. But i tried to talk reasonably about coming up with some real regulations and all the gun nuts were not going to have any of that. Go back and look at my posting history and yopu will see a progressive change due to the large wave of idiocy I was swamped with after suggesting we remove private sales and force background checks on anyone who wants to purchase a gun. I suggested we have expiring licenses to own a gun. I suggested that we have tiers of training for different levels of gun ownership. i wanted a gun license to be something someone was proud to have because it meant they did the dilligent work to train and become responsible firearm owners. It is something that they could have that others would not have until they wanted to go through the proper system and be a law abiding part of the community.

    but that is a horrible thing to suggest because people want their guns and they want them with no responsibility.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If I were one of the gun owners listed I would sue the paper for defamation (and/or) libel.
    You really need to look up what those words mean. you took the label on yourself and they are not lying about you. you cannot just sue because you don't like what is printed. It is public knowledge and you have no legal expectation of privacy. Also, if you are claiming there is nothing wrong with owning a gun then there should be no prejudice against gun owners. maybe you should do something about the image of gun owners that the NRA and gun owners seem to promote. because the image is certainly not of a level headed intelligent person who likes guns. We all see crazy old charlston heston and his rifle. Crazy old coot with a gun is not the message you want to be sending to people. It may get your troops all mustered but it has the direct opposite effect on the opposition. Don't even think about Clint eastwood. Find an intelligent respectable gun owner to take up the cause. Chose someone known for safety and intelligence. chose one of those mythbuster guys or someone like them. the only thing you get when you have crazy old coot with a gun is opposition because no one wants to see the crazy old white guy coming around with his gun. We know what comes next.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Besides this stunt is a perfect example of how fascist this progressive media actually is. What are they going to do next? post a list of "known tea party members?" post a list of those who "oppose large government?"
    Are you ashamed of your affiliations? I know i would be ashamed to be part of the tea party, but i thought the tea party liked being the tea party. If your ideas are so crappy you don't want to stand behind them perhaps you should be looking at the quality of your ideas.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Furthermore, if anything happens to these people and they need to use their firearms to protect themselves, family or property - those individuals can blame the newspaper for having to use their firearm to defend themselves.
    oh i am sure they will blame the newspaper. It would be totally wrong to blame the person who committed the crime because it was certainly the newspapers fault. guns don't kill people, newspapers do. If you do not notice the sarcasm and idiocy there you really need to check your mental condition.

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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Or maybe people could start thinking beyond their prejudices and say it is OK to be gay and then there would not be any problem. How does it feel? Not a great feeling right? Maybe the next time you see some idiot using the word gay or fag in some sort of negative contect you smack them upside the head for being a moron. Or we could all just say this is part of life and enjoy stuff like this. Oh but some people are for freedom to have guns, and not for freedom to diddle people in the ass. A little solidarity and you might find some other people who would say hey don't do that, but when the votes against gay marriage, or the votes against birth control, or the people trying to pass laws to keep black from voting as much, or the people who want to pull over and investigate anyone who looks hispanic you really come off just as spoiled and selfish as the welfare queen who hates white people. because I can go either way with guns, and there are a whole lot of people like me, so give the world of people a little more respect, and if you are already doing it go cuff the dumbass friend of yours who makes all the stupid comments in the back of the head. because we can all behave like adults and start recognizing we should all take responsibility for ourselves and stop worrying about that other guy who is doing something we find disgusting but yet doesn't effect us at all.


    though you may object to the listing the paper had every right to do so. The records are public. The problem you are having is actually not with the paper believe it or not. It is with the people who use guns for the wrong purposes and screw things up for everyone else. There is a big opportunity here for the non-gun owners, and the good gun owners to come together to pass some sort of way to weed out the crap. Instead the gun owners are willing to do nothing, and the other side seems to be the people who want to ban guns, and no good middle ground is getting presented. That is the fault of extremists, and they do not have the mental capacity to think in terms of real regulation while allowing those with the drive to posses a firearm a path to do so. They just talk about ban or not. I will agree a full on ban would be hard to implement and take years to really get going considering how many guns are out there. I am also pretty sure that before any of that gets done the government has to legalize drugs or else they are just going to make another cash cow for criminals.

    yeah, you are right, i don't even think the idea i am arguing about will work well. As a matter of fact i know it won't. But i tried to talk reasonably about coming up with some real regulations and all the gun nuts were not going to have any of that. Go back and look at my posting history and yopu will see a progressive change due to the large wave of idiocy I was swamped with after suggesting we remove private sales and force background checks on anyone who wants to purchase a gun. I suggested we have expiring licenses to own a gun. I suggested that we have tiers of training for different levels of gun ownership. i wanted a gun license to be something someone was proud to have because it meant they did the dilligent work to train and become responsible firearm owners. It is something that they could have that others would not have until they wanted to go through the proper system and be a law abiding part of the community.

    but that is a horrible thing to suggest because people want their guns and they want them with no responsibility.


    You really need to look up what those words mean. you took the label on yourself and they are not lying about you. you cannot just sue because you don't like what is printed. It is public knowledge and you have no legal expectation of privacy. Also, if you are claiming there is nothing wrong with owning a gun then there should be no prejudice against gun owners. maybe you should do something about the image of gun owners that the NRA and gun owners seem to promote. because the image is certainly not of a level headed intelligent person who likes guns. We all see crazy old charlston heston and his rifle. Crazy old coot with a gun is not the message you want to be sending to people. It may get your troops all mustered but it has the direct opposite effect on the opposition. Don't even think about Clint eastwood. Find an intelligent respectable gun owner to take up the cause. Chose someone known for safety and intelligence. chose one of those mythbuster guys or someone like them. the only thing you get when you have crazy old coot with a gun is opposition because no one wants to see the crazy old white guy coming around with his gun. We know what comes next.


    Are you ashamed of your affiliations? I know i would be ashamed to be part of the tea party, but i thought the tea party liked being the tea party. If your ideas are so crappy you don't want to stand behind them perhaps you should be looking at the quality of your ideas.


    oh i am sure they will blame the newspaper. It would be totally wrong to blame the person who committed the crime because it was certainly the newspapers fault. guns don't kill people, newspapers do. If you do not notice the sarcasm and idiocy there you really need to check your mental condition.
    Yeah? maybe people shouldn't be prejudice against guns and those who own them?

    You see how that works?

    I don't have a problem with homosexuality, but I was using the idea as an alternative example. A "witch hunt" is a "witch hunt" regardless who is being attacked.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I certainly hope the owners have safes
    , security systems and the local cops
    have improved their response times. While the criminals now know which houses not to go to when the owner is home, if they want guns, then they also know which ones to go to when the owner isn't home.
    Spoken like a true non-gun owner. They have these devices called gun safes. Its common for gun owners to own them and usually they're more trouble than they're worth if your'e trying to gain access minus a key, combination or thumbprint.

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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Either way the newspaper will immediately cite 1st Amendment Rights. Under Free Speech. Yet I wonder how many working there for that newspaper thought this was the Right thing to do. As Mr Nick just stated.....whats to prevent other lists from being published?
    Exactly.

    People need to be more consistent. Either the First and Second Amendment both have limits, or neither one of 'em do.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    If a robber knows you have a gun in your house, he'll just wear armor (along w/his bringing his gun) and/or bring in extra armed help when he tries to rob it.
    No, thieves almost never want to target a house where any risk might be involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    When you guns can cause harm to me, my family, or friends I have every right to know! I am not saying you cant have guns but I am saying that guns are deadly and if they are stolen they can be used to harm. How do I know if you have the ability to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs. I dont therefore I say it is a small price to pay!
    I have a car, a van, and a truck that could be used to run you down in the street, I have a 5 gallon can of gas and a lighter, I own a machete an ax and a cleaver and three guns. So now that you know, How is that going to change anything for you?

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    interestingly enough you are far more likely to shoot a friend or family member with your gun than to do one of these things. Oh, and then you get the lovely problem of having to justify your killing to the police and potential lawsuits that come with killing or shooting someone.
    Maybe in a blue state. In Texas not so much.

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