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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Here is link to list of those idiots newspaper employees.



    https://groups.google.com/group/alt....ace0d369b0f42#

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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Longstreet View Post
    Here is link to list of those idiots newspaper employees.



    https://groups.google.com/group/alt....ace0d369b0f42#
    One good turn deserves another.Although I don't think any news papers will publish it and it in a interactive map.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    interestingly enough you are far more likely to shoot a friend or family member with your gun than to do one of these things. Oh, and then you get the lovely problem of having to justify your killing to the police and potential lawsuits that come with killing or shooting someone.
    Where do these statistics come from? I ask because there are nearly 300 million firearm in the hands of private citizens. So are these winning the powerball lottery Odds or are these meaningful odds or is just horse crap that the anti-2nd amendment crowd spews?



    U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters
    U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.

    About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.

    The 10 countries with the most heavily armed civilians on Earth
    1 United States: 88.8 guns per 100 people. The U.S. has the most heavily armed citizens in the world. In fact, 62 per cent of Americans have more than one gun in their home or on their property.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    You watch, this kind of incident is going to lead to more regulations online.

    Not all rights are unconditional. The right to free speech does not include the right to incite violence. The right to keep and bear arms, as hated of a stance as it is around here, does not necessarily include every firearm in existence. The right to vote should only extend to citizens over the age of seventeen.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Where do these statistics come from? I ask because there are nearly 300 million firearm in the hands of private citizens. So are these winning the powerball lottery Odds or are these meaningful odds or is just horse crap that the anti-2nd amendment crowd spews?



    U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters
    U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.

    About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.

    The 10 countries with the most heavily armed civilians on Earth
    1 United States: 88.8 guns per 100 people. The U.S. has the most heavily armed citizens in the world. In fact, 62 per cent of Americans have more than one gun in their home or on their property.
    ummm, but those are the wrong stats if you want to argue that you are more likely to stop an armed intruder than to shoot friends or family members. What you might want to quote is accidental and domestic incidents regarding guns and injuries. Then you could compare those to the number of robberies and criminal incidents where civilians were responsible for stopping with firearms. You are just quoting the numbers of guns which doesn't tell us much.

    now, there is one thing i would like to note. The idea that firearm possesion by citizens leads to a decrease in crime seems to be somewhat wrong when you consider the heavy crime rate in the US, coupled with our also heavily armed civilian population. It does not seem to be making us any safer to have all these armed people around. As a matter of fact when you compare the homicide and gun injury rates of the US compared to countries with strict gun control the US clearly has a lot more murders and gun injuries than those countries have. The gun injuries would sort of make sense given the higher percentage of gun owners, but not the homicides considering you could kill a person with anything. It is interesting to note that with the decrease in guns comes a decrease in homicides.

    If you are going to quote stats, please make them relevant and don't support the case of your opposition in the future.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You watch, this kind of incident is going to lead to more regulations online.

    Not all rights are unconditional. The right to free speech does not include the right to incite violence. The right to keep and bear arms, as hated of a stance as it is around here, does not necessarily include every firearm in existence. The right to vote should only extend to citizens over the age of seventeen.
    I dislike gun ownership by stupid people. Since gun owners seem to be opposed to training, certification, permits, regulations, registration, and anything other than the effort to drive down to the store to pick up your uzi I am pretty much seeing there is no willingness to show proficiency with a firearm or even to attempt to keep them out of the hands of crazies. Since it is an all or nothing thing with the gun people, I would have to say nothing given the evidence of what gun banning does to violent crime like homicides. If people want to play all or nothing with no compromise then it is time to strip them all of their rights since the majority of gun owners shouldn't be able to buy airsoft guns legally due to their irresponsibility.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I dislike gun ownership by stupid people. Since gun owners seem to be opposed to training, certification, permits, regulations, registration, and anything other than the effort to drive down to the store to pick up your uzi I am pretty much seeing there is no willingness to show proficiency with a firearm or even to attempt to keep them out of the hands of crazies. Since it is an all or nothing thing with the gun people, I would have to say nothing given the evidence of what gun banning does to violent crime like homicides. If people want to play all or nothing with no compromise then it is time to strip them all of their rights since the majority of gun owners shouldn't be able to buy airsoft guns legally due to their irresponsibility.
    I agree that there does appear to be a strong refusal to compromise on the part of gun rights supporters. I strongly disagree with reacting to one extreme with the other extreme.

    I think this whole guns issue is very complex and murky. That's why I've tried to avoid making blanket statements when they aren't warranted. What both the gun rights supporters and gun control supporters must realize is that any potential rule changes do not have to be all or nothing. Case in point, I don't think any sane person would want a serial killer to have a gun. Neither do I think most of us want to deny a homeowner the right to defend his or her home. But those are, roughly speaking, two endpoints, and no matter what your threshold is, there is going to be some gray area in there somewhere.

    In short, I'm willing to listen to either side of the debate. But I have little patience for I'm-right-you're-wrong absolutist arguments. Sell me with facts, including the facts you don't like.
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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Letusreason View Post
    Another good reason all attempts at gun registration should be resisted.
    When you guns can cause harm to me, my family, or friends I have every right to know! I am not saying you cant have guns but I am saying that guns are deadly and if they are stolen they can be used to harm. How do I know if you have the ability to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs. I dont therefore I say it is a small price to pay!

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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    When you guns can cause harm to me, my family, or friends I have every right to know! I am not saying you cant have guns but I am saying that guns are deadly and if they are stolen they can be used to harm. How do I know if you have the ability to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs. I dont therefore I say it is a small price to pay!
    Your listed as being in Ft. Worth, no such list exist for that location. We don't have permits for guns.
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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    But I heard from many gun enthusiasts that gun actually deter criminals because they get afraid of being shot? How many times have we heard the idea that if everyone had guns then crime would drop? Now you want it on the other side where crime goes up? Is this Romnesia effecting society, or do you always take completely contradicting sides of an argument?

    BTW you know what would solve the problem of theives coming into your house looking for a gun? Not having one for them to steal.
    Really?

    What if a newspaper published the names of all known homosexuals in the paper?

    Of course I could simply and snugly say "well if you don't want to be a target don't be gay."

    You see, my position on this issue is that the paper had no right to post that information. I suppose some are proud to be known to own guns and will certainly blow a persons cap off if they even attempt to break into their homes, while others would rather have the notion they own a firearm confidential...

    If I were one of the gun owners listed I would sue the paper for defamation (and/or) libel.

    Besides this stunt is a perfect example of how fascist this progressive media actually is. What are they going to do next? post a list of "known tea party members?" post a list of those who "oppose large government?"

    Furthermore, if anything happens to these people and they need to use their firearms to protect themselves, family or property - those individuals can blame the newspaper for having to use their firearm to defend themselves.

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