Page 4 of 12 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 113

Thread: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

  1. #31
    Guru

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    In a Blue State
    Last Seen
    12-07-17 @ 03:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,732

    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    But I heard from many gun enthusiasts that gun actually deter criminals because they get afraid of being shot? How many times have we heard the idea that if everyone had guns then crime would drop? Now you want it on the other side where crime goes up? Is this Romnesia effecting society, or do you always take completely contradicting sides of an argument?

    BTW you know what would solve the problem of theives coming into your house looking for a gun? Not having one for them to steal.
    Guns do deter criminals. Just like laws. Some are detered from doing bad things because there are laws. Some criminals are detered because they may be entering an area with guns.

    The notifying of where guns may be presents a bad situation. It makes people without guns marked, as well as people with guns. Intelligence is bad in the hands of the enemy. That is my point.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

  2. #32
    Sage

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    10-10-16 @ 10:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    6,073

    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why are you rolling your eyes? I do not understand.
    It's naive to assume robbers are going to make it easy for homeowners to just shoot them by coming unprepared.

  3. #33
    Sage

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    10-10-16 @ 10:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    6,073

    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    A few years ago, someone/s stole the condenser coils from my A/C unit. They took the unit apart to get them. In the end, they did more work and made less than if they had spent that same amount of effort and time at a minimum wage job.
    Maybe he couldn't find a job and was desperate for A/C?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Yes, some crime can pay for awhile, right up until they get shot or arrested and spend many years behind bars, perhaps the rest of their life. What is the current life expectancy of the average ganger drug dealer in major cities today? Yep, pays real well, doesn't it.
    Depending on where the drug dealer is in the organization, they live long and well. . .

    #701 Joaquin Guzman Loera - The World's Billionaires 2009 - Forbes.com

  4. #34
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:26 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,663

    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It's naive to assume robbers are going to make it easy for homeowners to just shoot them by coming unprepared.
    That is what I do not get the eye roll because I never said that in my post.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  5. #35
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    The darkside of the moon
    Last Seen
    05-24-14 @ 05:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,905
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Whether gun ownership has a positive or negative affect upon crime is often the result of local laws. For example, in New York, you have to have a permit to buy, you have to have a permit to carry. That is how this list got compiled in the first place. Knowing a home belongs to a registered gun owner will deter at least to knowledgeable criminals when the gun owner is home. However, it increases the chances of the home being broken into when the owner is not home. This is because the criminals know that in all likelihood, the home owner has not taken the gun with him, local law makes it too difficult.
    Do you have any real data supporting this, or is this just some of your guesses? I would think most burglars would try to enter homes or businesses when no one is there. Armed or not it just seems like it would be easier to me if there was no one present. Unless you are breaking in for some crime like kidnapping where you would want contact with the resident. You are making this claim that burglars who are merely interested in valuables would chose to break into an occupied house simply because they don't have a gun? It seems like some really convoluted gun enthusiast logic to me. It completely violates the logic behind housitters, light timers, motion lights, and all sorts of other things designed to make it look like you are not home. Why do police recommend not advertising you are leaving as a way to reduce the likelihood of robbery when according to you criminals only care if you are home and have a gun?

    But hey, maybe you have some statistics which show criminals don't care if you are home if you do not own a gun.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Now contrast that with places like Texas and Oklahoma. No permit is required to purchase a gun. So no such list can even be obtained. Further, there is not permit required to transport you guns. Oklahoma even has open carry now. So even if you know a particular home has a gun, you don't know if the owner took it with them or not.
    yes, but this completely wrecks your whole claim that criminals are afraid of gun owners, and not that they want to avoid all contact with potential witnesses or people who might interfere with their robbery. Again, you are taking up completely contradictory sides of a story. Also, as far as i am aware robberies occur in those twop states regardless of the fact their might be a gun. You are trying to take both sides of this. the first side is that knowing there is a gun there deters criminals, and the other is that knowing there is a gun there encourages criminals. It is just the same old republican idea that you will use blatantly contradictory statements depending on which benefits your claim of the moment. Now, if it is true that this list has encouraged criminals to break into gun owners houses, then it is clear that owning a gun does not deter criminals from breaking into your house. Either way i am pretty sure the presence of people in the house probably makes much more of a difference in whether or not your home is broken into.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You are correct, not having one doesn't allow it to be stolen. But it also leaves you more vulnerable to attack.
    See, both sides of the coin in the same post. now all of a sudden having a gun is deterrent to an attack. Problem here is most burglars are not interested in attacking you. They are interested in stealing from the easiest possible targets and it is your presence that makes the theft harder. If a person breaks into your house while you are there for the purpose of attacking you then good luck in your shootout.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    There is no realistic or possible way to remove all guns from American society.
    However, there is clear evidence that the banning of guns in industrialized countries with a well established government and police force reduces homicides and gun injuries by at least 80 percent or more. the US ranks up there with south american countries with major drug trafficking problems in the number of homicides and gun fatalities and injuries. Where european countries and asian countries with Gun bans have homicide and murder rates far below the US. Even Isreal, a country which sees almost constant terrorism and attacks from all around them has much lower homicide and gun injury rates. So their is actually evidence that clearly shows the banning or restriction of guns actually makes the people of the country far less likely to be murdered in general, or even injured or killed by a gun.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So you can post all you want about people not having them, rant all you want about taking them away, but keep in mind, it ain't going to happen, at least not in our lifetimes.
    Again, that is an opinion and not a fact. they are quite capable of banning guns in america, or regulating them by need.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And if you think they should be taken away and advocate for others to do it, I want to see you personally and anyone else calling for removing them, amongst those who come for mine.
    If they do i will ask them to give me permission to go take your gun. Your gun does not frighten me in the slightest tough guy. of course, the police will probably end up prying it from your cold dead hands, and i won't be crying over one more violent person meeting their end. I just don't really care that you have a gun no matter how frightened you happen to be.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If you are unwilling to risk yourself for you belief, what right do you have to demand that others risk their lives for your beliefs?
    As much as i would love to see the look on your face as i take your gun out of your hands, I don't think that would be legal even if they were to ban them. I also don't see myself becoming a cop in that time, so it really is not my choice in that matter. If they want to let me come take your gun if they ban them i would think it would be amusing for all of us except you to see me do so. however, the reality is that many heavily armed people will descend upon you and strip the gun from you probably at a time when you are least prepared to defend yourself. At which point they will arrest you and toss you in prison for whatever the charge becomes for illegally possessing a firearm. i know the gun makes you feel safe, but there are a whole lot more of them than there are of you, and they have more bullets, better equipment, and lots more strength on their side. You can be as tough as you want with your gun, but they will win. i will enjoy watching it on the news.

  6. #36
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,551
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  7. #37
    Sage

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:04 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    9,812

    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Originally Posted by tererun
    But I heard from many gun enthusiasts that gun actually deter criminals because they get afraid of being shot? How many times have we heard the idea that if everyone had guns then crime would drop? Now you want it on the other side where crime goes up? Is this Romnesia effecting society, or do you always take completely contradicting sides of an argument?
    I suspect that most people realize that a criminal that is looking to steal a gun - to use in future crimes -will now know which houses to target when the house is empty and they have time to search for the gun. The criminals that are just looking for the easiest houses to rob and not have to worry about getting shot now know which houses to target for their goal. Basically it comes down to the goal of the would be thief. Shrug.

  8. #38
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    The darkside of the moon
    Last Seen
    05-24-14 @ 05:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,905
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Guns do deter criminals. Just like laws. Some are detered from doing bad things because there are laws. Some criminals are detered because they may be entering an area with guns.

    The notifying of where guns may be presents a bad situation. It makes people without guns marked, as well as people with guns. Intelligence is bad in the hands of the enemy. That is my point.
    Wow, you contradicted yourself in less than a paragraph. Really, you just said guns make me safer because they scare criminals, but now i am marked as a target for those criminals so i am less safe. It is just amazing how such contradictory logic is continually presented as reasonable thought.

  9. #39
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    The darkside of the moon
    Last Seen
    05-24-14 @ 05:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,905
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats kind of why they shouldnt have access to intel that shows which houses are armed and which are not. If they dont know, they may find that crime extracts a final payment. We also call that a deterrent.
    If they don't know what is on the other end it will only escalate their preparation. That means that they have a gun with them. Then all of a sudden you have a shootout in your home with your valuables and possibly your family. Good plan. you took a robber who would have taken some stuff and went away and turned it into a shootout.

  10. #40
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    The darkside of the moon
    Last Seen
    05-24-14 @ 05:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,905
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    A few years ago, someone/s stole the condenser coils from my A/C unit. They took the unit apart to get them. In the end, they did more work and made less than if they had spent that same amount of effort and time at a minimum wage job.

    Yes, some crime can pay for awhile, right up until they get shot or arrested and spend many years behind bars, perhaps the rest of their life. What is the current life expectancy of the average ganger drug dealer in major cities today? Yep, pays real well, doesn't it.
    Wait, you mean they went up to a home with an armed man and took his condenser coils? But i thought you were tough guy with a gun? Why did you not shoot them? probably because they did it when you were gone or without you knowing because that is the way most robberies work. Oh, and it is not that hard to do such things if you know what you are doing.

Page 4 of 12 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •