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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

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    [COLOR="#800000"]Course these lists would then also be around for any invading force to access and seek out those that could be a problem too. Let alone our own Government.
    Exactly, which is why I don't think these lists should exist against the individual. Against government, sure, but the individual, no. How many lists do you think there really are out there? How many are you on? I think the answer would shock and infuriate us all.
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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but everyone here seems to think that if the bad guys know you have guns, they will stay away. I would say the knowledge of gun ownership brings a certain type of thief. One who is looking for guns and a safe.

    One thing that makes someone more bold is intel. If they know more about your residence then the one down the street, they are going to go after yours.
    But I heard from many gun enthusiasts that gun actually deter criminals because they get afraid of being shot? How many times have we heard the idea that if everyone had guns then crime would drop? Now you want it on the other side where crime goes up? Is this Romnesia effecting society, or do you always take completely contradicting sides of an argument?

    BTW you know what would solve the problem of theives coming into your house looking for a gun? Not having one for them to steal.

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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    The proper response is to research the addresses, phone numbers and places of employment of all children and relatives of all of the newspaper's staff, plus that of all staff members - along with as many photographs of each of them personally and of the front of their houses - plus estimated income of each - as can be obtained - and of all delivery employees on a similar blog and interactive map for anyone who wants to look them up.

    That way if anyone has a story to report, they have the maximum available information to do so with.

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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    But I heard from many gun enthusiasts that gun actually deter criminals because they get afraid of being shot? How many times have we heard the idea that if everyone had guns then crime would drop? Now you want it on the other side where crime goes up? Is this Romnesia effecting society, or do you always take completely contradicting sides of an argument?

    BTW you know what would solve the problem of theives coming into your house looking for a gun? Not having one for them to steal.
    Whether gun ownership has a positive or negative affect upon crime is often the result of local laws. For example, in New York, you have to have a permit to buy, you have to have a permit to carry. That is how this list got compiled in the first place. Knowing a home belongs to a registered gun owner will deter at least to knowledgeable criminals when the gun owner is home. However, it increases the chances of the home being broken into when the owner is not home. This is because the criminals know that in all likelihood, the home owner has not taken the gun with him, local law makes it too difficult.

    Now contrast that with places like Texas and Oklahoma. No permit is required to purchase a gun. So no such list can even be obtained. Further, there is not permit required to transport you guns. Oklahoma even has open carry now. So even if you know a particular home has a gun, you don't know if the owner took it with them or not.

    You are correct, not having one doesn't allow it to be stolen. But it also leaves you more vulnerable to attack. There is no realistic or possible way to remove all guns from American society. So you can post all you want about people not having them, rant all you want about taking them away, but keep in mind, it ain't going to happen, at least not in our lifetimes. And if you think they should be taken away and advocate for others to do it, I want to see you personally and anyone else calling for removing them, amongst those who come for mine. If you are unwilling to risk yourself for you belief, what right do you have to demand that others risk their lives for your beliefs?
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Power Centrism View Post
    Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners - CNN.com

    Personally, I want the bad guys to know there is a gun owner living in my house. Though I'll feel bad for my neighbor when they get robbed instead.
    If a robber knows you have a gun in your house, he'll just wear armor (along w/his bringing his gun) and/or bring in extra armed help when he tries to rob it.

    This is why civilians have to buy their guns from 3rd party vendors (i. e. gun shows) or illegally, to avoid being tracked.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    If a robber knows you have a gun in your house, he'll just wear armor (along w/his bringing his gun) and/or bring in extra armed help when he tries to rob it.

    This is why civilians have to buy their guns from 3rd party vendors (i. e. gun shows) or illegally, to avoid being tracked.
    Or we could just keep on working on getting registration laws overturned so nobody has to be a criminal to safely and legally exercise a basic right.

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    If a robber knows you have a gun in your house, he'll just wear armor (along w/his bringing his gun) and/or bring in extra armed help when he tries to rob it.
    He'll wear armor?!

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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    If a robber knows you have a gun in your house, he'll just wear armor (along w/his bringing his gun) and/or bring in extra armed help when he tries to rob it.

    This is why civilians have to buy their guns from 3rd party vendors (i. e. gun shows) or illegally, to avoid being tracked.
    While there are exceptions to everything, I suspect that if a robber had their choice to rob a home that they knew in advance was protected by an armed homeowner and the one which was not - they would not go out of their way to look for trouble from the armed homeowner. Now the one exception would be if they wanted the arms themselves.
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    Re: Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

    What an interesting dilemma we find ourselves in. Here we have a person using his First Amendment rights to criticize the Second.

    If constitutional rights should be unlimited, then what this person did should be protected under free speech.

    Oh, and just to be clear, I am strongly opposed to posting the locations of all those gun owners on a map.
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    Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    It's hard to know what the editorial staff at this newspaper was thinking when they decided to expend the resources to put together this interactive map.

    How do they think it serves the public interest to make a one stop shop for finding out who holds a gun permit in their neighborhoods? This info was part of the public record so anyone who wanted to know which neighbors had gun permits could do so already. Why was such a map unimportant prior to the Sandy Hook massacre?

    It smacks of emotional opportunism, and unfairly puts a red "A" on the breasts of legal permit holders.
    That pretty well sums up my thoughts.

    The important question people should be asking is what was the purpose for this story in the first place? Seems like an irrational, agenda driven response to a tragedy. Let's see... 26 people including 20 children get gunned down by a deranged psychopath so how about we gather the names of all LEGAL gun permit holders and make them part of an interactive web-page so people can see exactly who and where they are???

    Forgive me, but I'm at a loss for just what in the hell they are trying to accomplish with this...
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