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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I guess we should be happy that he did not use a firearm to kill is grandma, eh?
    No. You should be happy it wasn't you or a loved one of yours killed by this SOB because we were stupid enough to let him go free after seeing the type of acts he was willing to commit.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    A few years back in Nashville, the local newspaper sent a couple of reporters to live in the projects for a few months to do an exposé. I don't recall what the guy pretended to be, out of work maybe, but the woman pretended to be a manicure student. Anyway, they wrote a very revealing piece after a time. And the scattah hit the fan. The people who lived there were indignant and had everyone to know that they had a strong sense of 'community' etc. etc. etc. Eventually the newspaper issued an apology to the 'community.' Plenty of people who live in the projects are invested in living there. They refuse to go anywhere else. Not only that, but you need to think of some of the cultural issues working here. Plenty of project dwellers get money to go to school. But it is their home 'neighborhood.' All their family and friends live there. It is most uncomfortable for a lot of people to leave their old diggs. And then there is the social pressure that is exerted on the person for trying to be ' uppity and better than the rest of us.' In order to leave, they have to cut ties with everyone they hold dear. You simply cannot understand the pressures that are working there unless you have had some exposure to them.

    Of course I would never live there if there was any way around it. But my family and friends aren't there.
    Everyone has an excuse for everything. Don't feed me that you're too attached to the ghetto because you have friends and/or family living there and then complain about living there. You say there's a sense of "community". I assume it's that "community" spirit and love for your homies in the ghetto with you that makes the ghetto such a safe and happy place to live.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    No. You should be happy it wasn't you or a loved one of yours killed by this SOB because we were stupid enough to let him go free after seeing the type of acts he was willing to commit.
    Egads! Then I guess we are REALLY stupid to elect a man to President after seeing the types of acts he is willing to commit with drones,eh?

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Egads! Then I guess we are REALLY stupid to elect a man to President after seeing the types of acts he is willing to commit with drones,eh?
    Nice effort to divert.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Nice effort to divert.
    Not really diverting, just expanding the picture a bit. Using some of Louis Brandeis' wisdom and words from the last century that may have somehow motivated the shooter: From Olmstead, "The government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

    There are many who are aware of the immoral and murderous ways of the government, and everybody reacts a little differently. I'm not in anyway attempting to justify what happened, but maybe just possibly explain it.

    We blame video games for the violence displayed by youngsters. Is there any blame to be laid at the feet of those who murder and invade under fraud and usurpation?

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I'm all for the slow and painful death to this type of person. Just credit me for an hour of community service and I'll do the honors of putting the shooter through the wood chipper.
    seems to me burning at the stake would be the appropriate death for someone who ambushes brave firefighters

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    seems to me burning at the stake would be the appropriate death for someone who ambushes brave firefighters
    why wate a good steak? when there are starving lions

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    why wate a good steak? when there are starving lions
    STAKE MY good man not STEAK

    after sandy we have a glut of broken telephone line poles that would serve the purpose quite well

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    STAKE MY good man not STEAK

    after sandy we have a glut of broken telephone line poles that would serve the purpose quite well
    Have you no heart? I say feed the scum to the poor starving lions!

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    No. You should be happy it wasn't you or a loved one of yours killed by this SOB because we were stupid enough to let him go free after seeing the type of acts he was willing to commit.
    Yep. Liberal justice (plea deals, probation and parole), cost savings for courts and prisons and simply believing in the "goodness" of all folks is tricky. Many even object to three strikes laws, while I lean more to one big one, as an adult, and you are done. If criminal convictions and sentences are not seen as absolutes then all else is an exercise in time/money wasting. The huge nanny state can never substitute for personal responsibility, no matter how big it is allowed to get. Most, the vast majority of, people are good, but the bad, once detected and proven to be so are expendable, IMHO.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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