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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I hate liking this post because of your last line. But the rest of it I agree with. Many of these neighborhoods are not safe for city workers, and that's the truth. Maybe you're right. Maybe they should just let them do a controlled burn -- and relocate/scatter these people throughout cities and suburbs as a condition of receiving public assistance. They have safety in their numbers. The rest of us are in danger because of the same.
    No controlled burn and scattering of the people who live in that environment. They live in that environment because they don't demand anything better of themselves, or of their community and neighbors. They aren't victims of living in a bad area- they are a part of the cause.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    People who do this stuff are not 'gun rights advocates.' They are garden variety thugs.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No controlled burn and scattering of the people who live in that environment. They live in that environment because they don't demand anything better of themselves, or of their community and neighbors. They aren't victims of living in a bad area- they are a part of the cause.
    Several years ago I had a tech working on my floor who had managed to work her way out of the projects. Then she got into a bind, I don't recall what exactly. But she pawned everthing she owned trying to stay out of the projects.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Several years ago I had a tech working on my floor who had managed to work her way out of the projects. Then she got into a bind, I don't recall what exactly. But she pawned everthing she owned trying to stay out of the projects.
    I don't blame her, and I would do the same. My point is that slums exist because people put up with it. They don't exert their will to change their environment, and they settle for living in a bad neighborhood. There is no way in hell I would put up with that, and that is exactly the reason I don't have to.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

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    Although it would have here no?
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    Unless he thinks the killer will come back for revenge as a zombie, his claim is downright absurd.
    Three concepts have been brought up in this thread, with respect to capital punishment:

    1. Preventing a particular individual from committing future murders
    2. Preventing particular victims from being murdered
    3. Preventing murder in general or otherwise causing a decrease in the murder rate

    You guys are focused on #1 and claiming that #2 and #3 are the natural consequence of that focus. What I'm saying is that while capital punishment quite obviously achieves #1, that's all it does.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No controlled burn and scattering of the people who live in that environment. They live in that environment because they don't demand anything better of themselves, or of their community and neighbors. They aren't victims of living in a bad area- they are a part of the cause.
    There once was a time when I would've replied "Rush Limbaugh, is that YUO," but there are too many talking heads on the radio spewing this nonsense for me to be so specific.

    Suffice it to say it's pretty obvious you aren't speaking from particularly intimate experience with the phenomena.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't blame her, and I would do the same. My point is that slums exist because people put up with it. They don't exert their will to change their environment, and they settle for living in a bad neighborhood. There is no way in hell I would put up with that, and that is exactly the reason I don't have to.
    A few years back in Nashville, the local newspaper sent a couple of reporters to live in the projects for a few months to do an exposť. I don't recall what the guy pretended to be, out of work maybe, but the woman pretended to be a manicure student. Anyway, they wrote a very revealing piece after a time. And the scattah hit the fan. The people who lived there were indignant and had everyone to know that they had a strong sense of 'community' etc. etc. etc. Eventually the newspaper issued an apology to the 'community.' Plenty of people who live in the projects are invested in living there. They refuse to go anywhere else. Not only that, but you need to think of some of the cultural issues working here. Plenty of project dwellers get money to go to school. But it is their home 'neighborhood.' All their family and friends live there. It is most uncomfortable for a lot of people to leave their old diggs. And then there is the social pressure that is exerted on the person for trying to be ' uppity and better than the rest of us.' In order to leave, they have to cut ties with everyone they hold dear. You simply cannot understand the pressures that are working there unless you have had some exposure to them.

    Of course I would never live there if there was any way around it. But my family and friends aren't there.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There once was a time when I would've replied "Rush Limbaugh, is that YUO," but there are too many talking heads on the radio spewing this nonsense for me to be so specific.

    Suffice it to say it's pretty obvious you aren't speaking from particularly intimate experience with the phenomena.
    Yes, this is true. She would crap a duck if a family of them moved in next door to her.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    A few years back in Nashville, the local newspaper sent a couple of reporters to live in the projects for a few months. I don't recall what the guy pretended to be, but the woman pretended to be a manicure student. Anyway, they wrote a very revealing piece after a time. And the scattah hit the fan. The people who lived there were indignant and had everyone to know that they had a strong sense of 'community' etc. etc. etc. Eventually the newspaper issued an apology to the 'community.' Plenty of people who live in the projects are invested in living there. They refuse to go anywhere else. Not only that, but you need to think of some of the cultural issues working here. Plenty of project dwellers get money to go to school. But it is their 'neighborhood.' All their family and friends live there. It is most uncomfortable for a lot of people to leave their old diggs. And then there is the social pressure that is exerted on the person for trying to be ' uppity and better than the rest of us.' You simply cannot understand the pressures that are working there unless you have had some exposure to them.

    Of course I would never live there if there was any way around it. But my family and friends aren't there.

    I'd like to see a link to that article, if you don't mind.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Longstreet View Post
    The shooter should have never been released from prison. He used a hammer to kill his grandmother.
    Time to reexamine societies mechanisms for identifying threats.
    I guess we should be happy that he did not use a firearm to kill is grandma, eh?

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