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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I get it. You think a POS crimial's life is of the same value as a six year old child's. I, on the other hand, would rather have a few firefighters alive instead of someone who thinks it's alright to beat their granny to death. This is not a case of deterrence. We're talking about straight up prevention. There are plenty of studies of criminal behavior showing that those wiling to commit felonies are often repeat offenders.
    I think all human life has intrinsic value and that all human beings have an equal potential to do things both wonderful and horrible. My primary issue with capital punishment, more than anything else, is the potential for a wrongful execution. Secondary to that is the fact that I don't think it actually causes a measurable decrease in crime. The US is a nation of over 300 million people, and I imagine that for every murderer we sentence to death there are many more waiting in the wings.

    In short, you are under the mistaken impression that executing someone before they commit more murders will spare the lives of their future victims. It doesn't work that way.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Damn -- and I thought 14 (our record) was young.

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Just saw this:

    Gunman who ambushed firefighters killed grandmother in 1980, police say

    The gunman who ambushed four volunteer firefighters, killing two, in upstate New York had spent 17 years in prison for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980, police said.

    William Spengler opened fire on the volunteers as they responded to a blaze just before 6 a.m. ET in a small cluster of homes along Lake Ontario in Webster, N.Y., police said, rocking this close-knit community.

    The 62-year-old convicted felon had apparently set a trap, luring in first responders and then firing on them from atop an earthen berm.

    "It does appear that it was a trap that was set," said Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering, his voice breaking at times. “People who get up in the middle of the night to fight fires, they don’t expect to get shot and killed."

    Sick bastard.
    Anybody who could kill his own grandmother to death with a hammer is damaged goods. Damaged goods in that there is no possible rehabilitation possible. That is beyond sick, that is fricking evil.

    You cannot let evil go back into society. The death penalty is not a solution anymore as the legal system is set up with enough appeals to bankrupt a small community. Plus we have time after time seen innocent men on death row set free by DNA findings.

    I agree this guy deserves the death penalty just as that punkass in CT would have if he lived. But that is neither there or here now. Why did this POS get set free? I can see in a moment of rage one might pull a trigger but to beat someone to death with a hammer is upclose and personal. He was a sick SOB and wouldn't suprize me if he sexually molested her too.

    I don't see why the firemen's family can't go back and sue the parole board who set this bastard free in the first place. After you catch a rat in your trap in your basement you sure as hell don't let it go free.

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    In short, you are under the mistaken impression that executing someone before they commit more murders will spare the lives of their future victims. It doesn't work that way.
    Although it would have here no?
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although it would have here no?
    Unless he thinks the killer will come back for revenge as a zombie, his claim is downright absurd.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I hate liking this post because of your last line. But the rest of it I agree with. Many of these neighborhoods are not safe for city workers, and that's the truth. Maybe you're right. Maybe they should just let them do a controlled burn -- and relocate/scatter these people throughout cities and suburbs as a condition of receiving public assistance. They have safety in their numbers. The rest of us are in danger because of the same.


    So you want them in your neighborhood. That's novel. Don't you know they will bring the slum with them?
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    This happened in my neck of the woods and the area is not a good area for anyone to be in.

    Why would anyone shoot at first responders is beyond my comprehension unless it was an extremist of some sort trying to make a point about guns or something?


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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Damn -- and I thought 14 (our record) was young.

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    Nope we hung a 12 year old. I think it was rape and murder.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Damn, while posting in this thead, a special report just came on the news. 3 shot about 20 blocks from where I live. A police officer is dead, and so is an innocent bystander. The shooter is in the hospital in critical condition, which brings me to another one of my patented rants.

    Why the hell are they attempting to save the shooter's life, when we are eventually going to spend millions of taxpayer dollars putting him on trial, imprisoning him for a number of years, before finally putting him to death? It does not make sense. This shooter killed a cop, along with someone who was shopping and minding his own damn business. Let this punk die.

    /rant
    Because the people doing the saving are doctors and nurses, not executioners.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

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    You cannot let evil go back into society. The death penalty is not a solution anymore as the legal system is set up with enough appeals to bankrupt a small community. Plus we have time after time seen innocent men on death row set free by DNA findings.

    I agree this guy deserves the death penalty just as that punkass in CT would have if he lived. But that is neither there or here now. Why did this POS get set free? I can see in a moment of rage one might pull a trigger but to beat someone to death with a hammer is upclose and personal. He was a sick SOB and wouldn't suprize me if he sexually molested her too.

    I don't see why the firemen's family can't go back and sue the parole board who set this bastard free in the first place. After you catch a rat in your trap in your basement you sure as hell don't let it go free.
    Hell, we do the bolded all the time, because they are deemed insane, and God knows we can't apply justice to insane people, now can we? (sarcasm)

    As far as I am concerned, people like this need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are.
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