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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The OP is about NY, not likely to affect TX or our Huntsville prison at all. Your tax money is not even a factor. Trials are not waived simply because of dozens of eyewitnesses or the lack of them.
    It doesn't matter where in the United States danarhea lives, because whether he's in Texas or NY, a shooter local to his area will have the same rights and privileges.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Taking that logic just a tad further; is it the police or a jury that decide your guilt (or lack thereof)? Once we have determined that the police may decide your fate, on the spot, why even make the ambulance call at all, simply let the officer explain that your "escape attempt", required his brave, deadly force, response and save "nature" the trouble, as well.
    There are times when a mathematician writes "trivial" in place of the proof of a statement. There are times when society needs to apply the same idea to murderers caught in the act (e.g. the Colorado Joker). Time, money and effort spent on those POS humans are all wasted. People immediately ask where you draw the line. Without even answering that question, I can confidently say the killing of these firefighters, or the shootings in Connecticut and Colorado would qualify.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The OP is about NY, not likely to affect TX or our Huntsville prison at all. Your tax money is not even a factor. Trials are not waived simply because of dozens of eyewitnesses or the lack of them.
    The OP, which is MINE, I might add, was about New York, but a police officer was gunned down in Houston while I was posting, so I brought it up. THIS is the gunman who was hospitalized after shooting the officer and an innocent bystander. The New York shooter is already dead, so the discussion about whether to save HIS life is not even relevant. Try to keep up.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    There are times when a mathematician writes "trivial" in place of the proof of a statement. There are times when society needs to apply the same idea to murderers caught in the act (e.g. the Colorado Joker). Time, money and effort spent on those POS humans are all wasted. People immediately ask where you draw the line. Without even answering that question, I can confidently say the killing of these firefighters, or the shootings in Connecticut and Colorado would qualify.
    Yeah, no. I'm not a believer in assigning the lives of some adults a higher value than the lives of other adults. The process and punishment for the crime of murder should be the same no matter who the victim is.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Yeah, no. I'm not a believer in assigning the lives of some adults a higher value than the lives of other adults. The process and punishment for the crime of murder should be the same no matter who the victim is.
    Sorry, but it takes a bigger coward to shoot helpless victims. Furthermore, the younger a victim is the more years of life you have expectedly taken from them.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Sorry, but it takes a bigger coward to shoot helpless victims. Furthermore, the younger a victim is the more years of life you have expectedly taken from them.
    I don't really care what kind of criminal it takes to shoot what kind of victim, and furthermore while I understands it stirs up certain instincts when a child is murdered, youth doesn't make one life worth any more than another.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Just saw this:


    Gunman who ambushed firefighters killed grandmother in 1980, police say

    The gunman who ambushed four volunteer firefighters, killing two, in upstate New York had spent 17 years in prison for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980, police said.

    William Spengler opened fire on the volunteers as they responded to a blaze just before 6 a.m. ET in a small cluster of homes along Lake Ontario in Webster, N.Y., police said, rocking this close-knit community.

    The 62-year-old convicted felon had apparently set a trap, luring in first responders and then firing on them from atop an earthen berm.

    "It does appear that it was a trap that was set," said Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering, his voice breaking at times. “People who get up in the middle of the night to fight fires, they don’t expect to get shot and killed."

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Just saw this:


    Gunman who ambushed firefighters killed grandmother in 1980, police say

    The gunman who ambushed four volunteer firefighters, killing two, in upstate New York had spent 17 years in prison for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980, police said.

    William Spengler opened fire on the volunteers as they responded to a blaze just before 6 a.m. ET in a small cluster of homes along Lake Ontario in Webster, N.Y., police said, rocking this close-knit community.
    Thanks for providing some important data supporting my argument that the expected number of innocent who die will be less if you just put those convicted of murder to death. If what you've presented is true then this could have been prevented by killing the POS years ago.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Thanks for providing some important data supporting my argument that the expected number of innocent who die will be less if you just put those convicted of murder to death. If what you've presented is true then this could have been prevented by killing the POS years ago.
    Anecdotes do not constitute reliable evidence, and I am aware of no conclusive studies which draw a link between capital punishment and deterrence.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Anecdotes do not constitute reliable evidence, and I am aware of no conclusive studies which draw a link between capital punishment and deterrence.
    I get it. You think a POS crimial's life is of the same value as a six year old child's. I, on the other hand, would rather have a few firefighters alive instead of someone who thinks it's alright to beat their granny to death. This is not a case of deterrence. We're talking about straight up prevention. There are plenty of studies of criminal behavior showing that those wiling to commit felonies are often repeat offenders.
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