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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    There was only 1 shooter in this, right?

    Suicidal Vietnam Vet, as the song described.

    I hope there was only 1 shooter.

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We have this strage tradition of requiring a trial before sentencing, but other than that no problem.
    That wasn't my point. My point is that we are going to spend millions of dollars saving his life, and then putting him through a trial, then caring for him in prison, when we are eventually going to be putting him to death anyways. I say we should save the tax payers the money, let nature take it's course, and let him die now. Either way, he is going to die. Why spend MY tax money on him when the outcome is going to end up being the exact same thing?
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That wasn't my point. My point is that we are going to spend millions of dollars saving his life, and then putting him through a trial, then caring for him in prison, when we are eventually going to be putting him to death anyways. I say we should save the tax payers the money, let nature take it's course, and let him die now. Either way, he is going to die. Why spend MY tax money on him when the outcome is going to end up being the exact same thing?
    Taking that logic just a tad further; is it the police or a jury that decide your guilt (or lack thereof)? Once we have determined that the police may decide your fate, on the spot, why even make the ambulance call at all, simply let the officer explain that your "escape attempt", required his brave, deadly force, response and save "nature" the trouble, as well.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Taking that logic just a tad further; is it the police or a jury that decide your guilt (or lack thereof)? Once we have determined that the police may decide your fate, on the spot, why even make the ambulance call at all, simply let the officer explain that your "escape attempt", required his brave, deadly force, response and save "nature" the trouble, as well.
    The officer won't be explaining anything. The shooter killed him. There were dozens of eyewitnesses. The shooter is going to die anyways. The question is whether we let nature take it's course and let him die now, or spend millions of dollars before killing him at Huntsville Prison. I say don't waste the taxpayers' money.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    The story may have been updated since you posted it but my reading says the shooter is dead of gunshot wounds, police cannot or won't yet say if they are self inflicted.



    I understand the sentiment but I cannot agree with aid personnel picking and choosing which emergencies to go to. I would rather they had armed guard (with well thought out ROE) than not go in at all. Not all people in "no-go" zones are criminals.
    When I was an environmental regulator I was a FR and you don't have a choice. ITs go or loose your job. The expectation is that you WILL show up and if you don't you are in for a fire storm like you cannot believe.

    I always went and so did all of my comrades. In some cases the stuff we were dealing with was mor dangerous than any alledged shooters. WHich by the way never happened.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The officer won't be explaining anything. The shooter killed him. There were dozens of eyewitnesses. The shooter is going to die anyways. The question is whether we let nature take it's course and let him die now, or spend millions of dollars before killing him at Huntsville Prison. I say don't waste the taxpayers' money.
    The OP is about NY, not likely to affect TX or our Huntsville prison at all. Your tax money is not even a factor. Trials are not waived simply because of dozens of eyewitnesses or the lack of them.
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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, ofcourse not...The firefighters have a job to do, and shouldn't have to be targets to some crazy person with a gun firing at them. On the other hand, it is also equally as wrong in my opinion for anti gun people to jump on every instance of violence, not 5 minutes after it happens, to rail against the overwhelming majority of responsible gun owners right to own their weapons.
    Odd, but I didn't see anti-gun people jumping in demanding no more 'guns' but rather let 'em burn right wingers who drag all kinds stories of areas firefighters don't go in- highly doubtful- when the place in question is a rather nice upstate smaller town, no cesspool of hate, and 95% of the people there are all look alike to me.

    Last report the gunman killed himself afterwards and is a convicted killer William Spengler, aged 62.

    So the let em burn crowd along with the cesspools of humanity ranters are way off base and rather tacky. Not to mention awfully premature as apparently they had no information but the headline and their own bias...

    THAT was my point, see, my hat is off...

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    The shooter should have never been released from prison. He used a hammer to kill his grandmother.
    Time to reexamine societies mechanisms for identifying threats.

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Looks like this shooter got away. What kind of cocksucker opens fire on first responders who are attempting to save lives? We need a new kind of death penalty - Execution by slow torture...... Sorry, I don't really mean that. I am just ranting here.

    Article is here.
    I'd rather just sentence the loser to 120 years of heavy labor. Spending the rest of his days beneath the earth's crust, swinging a pick axe, would be akin to torture, and we'd also be getting some use out of him at the same time.

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    Re: Firefighters Shot Dead at Upstate NY Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That wasn't my point. My point is that we are going to spend millions of dollars saving his life, and then putting him through a trial, then caring for him in prison, when we are eventually going to be putting him to death anyways. I say we should save the tax payers the money, let nature take it's course, and let him die now. Either way, he is going to die. Why spend MY tax money on him when the outcome is going to end up being the exact same thing?
    Because everybody has a right to the same process, whether they murdered a bus-load of nuns or stopped a dozen Allah-praising suicide bombers with their bare hands. That's one of the characteristics of a civilized nation.

    Personally, I'm glad the United States is a civilized nation -- aren't you?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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