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Condoms for free at 22 city schools

SheWolf said:
I am so happy I don't have kids. I don't have to worry about this stuff, but I still think raising a baby as a teen makes it more difficult to go to college and have a higher quality of life. I am for doing everything to prevent teen pregnancy. If free condoms cuts the rate, I see nothing wrong with it. Condoms should probably used by more adults as well. Bars and pubs probably need dispensers too.
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Teaching the hidden reward of not mucking up your future by being abstinent until prepared is another solution, mine avoiding the wasting of tax dollars.
 
Mathematician said:
Then instead of telling me to buy these kids' condoms, you should criticize the parents and tell them to get their crap together when it comes to parenting. Continuing my point about the lack of responsibility, you are excusing and/or ignoring the irresponsibility of parents.
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Perhaps YOU should criticize the parents. You're the one making a big stink out of some condoms. Good grief, kids have sex. Even if their parents tell them to be abstinent, they are going to still do it. We aren't talking about Fantasy Island. This is REAL life.
 
Mathematician said:
Then instead of telling me to buy these kids' condoms, you should criticize the parents and tell them to get their crap together when it comes to parenting. Continuing my point about the lack of responsibility, you are excusing and/or ignoring the irresponsibility of parents.
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Let me guess, you didn't have sex as a high school student, did you?
 
...and condoms, by themselves, are not solutions to the problem. Just like the issue of keeping schools safe from mass shooters, where there are a long line of defensive measures that ought to be taken before allowing guns in the school, so too a long line of personal responsibility and education initiatives ought to be in place before handing out condoms should be considered.
 
ChrisL said:
Perhaps YOU should criticize the parents. You're the one making a big stink out of some condoms. Good grief, kids have sex. Even if their parents tell them to be abstinent, they are going to still do it. We aren't talking about Fantasy Island. This is REAL life.
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So "real life" to you is the excusal from personal responsibility? You prove my point of the mindset of entitlements and freedom from responsibility becoming all too common.
 
Mathematician said:
Teaching the hidden reward of not mucking up your future by being abstinent until prepared is another solution, mine avoiding the wasting of tax dollars.
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Abstinence worked great for the Palin's and plenty other teens whose mommy and daddies didn't talk to them about having sex responsibly. My mom was talking to me about pregnancy and the importance of prevention, when I was probably 7 or 8, well before I knew what sex was. She explained to me that having a baby before you're ready can make your life goals much more difficult and is tragic. She constantly offered birth control when I was a teen. I wasn't a pregnant teen either, and I knew very well the struggles it could bring in life.

I think my mom's attitude and upbringing worked fine, and much better than the bury-your-head in the sand, abstinence only, and avoiding the sex talk with your kids approach.
 
ChrisL said:
Let me guess, you didn't have sex as a high school student, did you?
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You're absolutely correct, missy. I waited until my senior year of college so that I'd be out of school and have a well paying job if I accidentally got her pregnant.
 
Mathematician said:
You're absolutely correct, missy. I waited until my senior year of college so that I'd be out of school and have a well paying job if I accidentally got her pregnant.
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Well aren't you just the bees knees? :lamo YOUR pompous arrogance is NOT going to solve any problems. Try taking a look at life outside of your own biased views.
 
SheWolf said:
Of course not, he didn't know what sex was.... lol
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Lose the childish personal attacks.

SheWolf said:
Abstinence worked great for the Palin's and plenty other teens whose mommy and daddies didn't talk to them about having sex responsibly. My mom was talking to me about pregnancy and the importance of prevention, when I was probably 7 or 8, well before I knew what sex was. She explained to me that having a baby before you're ready can make your life goals much more difficult and is tragic. She constantly offered birth control when I was a teen. I wasn't a pregnant teen either, and I knew very well the struggles it could bring in life.

I think my mom's attitude and upbringing worked fine, and much better than the bury-your-head in the sand, abstinence only, and avoiding the sex talk with your kids approach.
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Please read post #50 again. I never said anything about parents avoiding sex talk. In fact, I am complaining about parents not teaching personal responsibility.
 
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Mathematician said:
So "real life" to you is the excusal from personal responsibility? You prove my point of the mindset of entitlements and freedom from responsibility becoming all too common.
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No "real life" to me is realizing that teenagers are NOT always responsible. Sometimes the parents ARE to blame, and sometimes that is just life. NOBODY is perfect. Got that?
 
Mathematician said:
Why in the world are the kids of today excused from the responsibility of abstinence to prevent the risk of pissing away their future? This statement just supports my view that personal responsibility is continuously on the decline in this country. We overgeneralize the statement that it's okay to make mistakes by supporting this kind of crap. Teach the kids about how they'll most likely make their future painfully challenging if they get a disease or have a kid too early. If they wait until they graduate and prepare for work to secure their future, they have how many years left to screw?
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You are correct. Responsibility IS on the decline. However, insisting that people who have no intention of being responsible EVER is ludicrous. Maybe their children can learn if someone helps them, and that will NOT be their parents if what I have seen in community health is any indication. And I believe it is.
 
ChrisL said:
The point is that teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases are BIG problems, and a lot of parents do NOT talk to their kids about it.

What is more destructive and costly? Condoms or unwanted pregnancies and diseases?
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Being an NP, I can say with authority that teen pregnancy and STDs are already costly and destructive. Most people have no real clue the depth and breadth of the problem.
 
ChrisL said:
The kids of today are not doing anything that kids didn't always do. It was just hidden and brushed under the carpet so many years ago when they would send pregnant teens to special homes so that the community wouldn't know.
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Where I live, the shotgun wedding was the order of the day! LOL. Those people became responsible pretty fast. But these days they just go on welfare.
 
ChrisL said:
The point is that teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases are BIG problems, and a lot of parents do NOT talk to their kids about it.
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Much like it ever was in many ways.

What is more destructive and costly? Condoms or unwanted pregnancies and diseases?
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You mean in what way is the government spending less to cover up the mistakes of people. There is already ways to get free condoms at this very moment, so all you are really dealing with here is the distribution system in which they are given for free. Since the teens are not using these other outlets or even buying themselves while having the knowledge on why they should use them it clear they have no interest in doing it in the first place and as such the idea fails to save money for the government.
 
SheWolf said:
I am so happy I don't have kids. I don't have to worry about this stuff, but I still think raising a baby as a teen makes it more difficult to go to college and have a higher quality of life. I am for doing everything to prevent teen pregnancy. If free condoms cuts the rate, I see nothing wrong with it. Condoms should probably used by more adults as well. Bars and pubs probably need dispensers too.
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Eau contraire. You DO deal with it through the taxes you pay. And teens who get pregnant do not aspire to higher learning. Many just aspire to be a baby mamma and draw a check.
 
Maenad said:
You are correct. Responsibility IS on the decline. However, insisting that people who have no intention of being responsible EVER is ludicrous. Maybe their children can learn if someone helps them, and that will NOT be their parents if what I have seen in community health is any indication. And I believe it is.
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Many people have to learn to be responsible by feeling the pain of being irresponsible.
 
Mathematician said:
Then instead of telling me to buy these kids' condoms, you should criticize the parents and tell them to get their crap together when it comes to parenting. Continuing my point about the lack of responsibility, you are excusing and/or ignoring the irresponsibility of parents.
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I've worked with the parents in community health. I would lke to see you go and critizise them and tell them to get their crap together. Report back when you have done that. Until then, you are clueless.
 
Mathematician said:
Teaching the hidden reward of not mucking up your future by being abstinent until prepared is another solution, mine avoiding the wasting of tax dollars.
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The class of people to whom you refer do not see a future for themselves. Most live in generational poverty and see nothing beyond the present day.

-- Belief in fate.

Many people in poverty believe destiny and fate control their lives, and they might not think they have a choice about what happens in their lives.

Time.

“Time occurs only in the present,” Payne writes. “The future does not exist except as a word.”
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Families in generational poverty form their own culture -- GazetteXtra

They would merely see your words on the matter to be babblings of an idiot.

I have, however, worked with some who did manage to aspire to college and get through it. They were very disappointment and extremely angry to realize that being a social worker and making $20K/year just isn't enough to put in in the pimp mobile.
 
Mathematician said:
Lose the childish personal attacks.



Please read post #50 again. I never said anything about parents avoiding sex talk. In fact, I am complaining about parents not teaching personal responsibility.
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You want parents to raise their children based on your morals. If a child isn't pregnant, then why are concerned with how the individual chooses to avoid pregnancy and how the parent raises them?
 
SheWolf said:
Abstinence worked great for the Palin's and plenty other teens whose mommy and daddies didn't talk to them about having sex responsibly. My mom was talking to me about pregnancy and the importance of prevention, when I was probably 7 or 8, well before I knew what sex was. She explained to me that having a baby before you're ready can make your life goals much more difficult and is tragic. She constantly offered birth control when I was a teen. I wasn't a pregnant teen either, and I knew very well the struggles it could bring in life.

I think my mom's attitude and upbringing worked fine, and much better than the bury-your-head in the sand, abstinence only, and avoiding the sex talk with your kids approach.
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You are lucky to have such a mother. The population we are discussing do not have such parents.
 
SheWolf said:
You want parents to raise their children based on your morals. If a child isn't pregnant, then why are concerned with how the individual chooses to avoid pregnancy and how the parent raises them?
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Well that can't be done. And if he spent one day in the trenches of America he would understand why.
 
Henrin said:
Many people have to learn to be responsible by feeling the pain of being irresponsible.
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And 'feeling the pain' is spread amongst every tax paying American. That is the part you don't get.
 
Henrin said:
Much like it ever was in many ways.



You mean in what way is the government spending less to cover up the mistakes of people. There is already ways to get free condoms at this very moment, so all you are really dealing with here is the distribution system in which they are given for free. Since the teens are not using these other outlets or even buying themselves while having the knowledge on why they should use them it clear they have no interest in doing it in the first place and as such the idea fails to save money for the government.
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Provide me a link to where a condom program has failed in the past. You can't just say that nobody's going to listen and it is a failure. Why not try it out and SEE if it helps?
 
ChrisL said:
No "real life" to me is realizing that teenagers are NOT always responsible. Sometimes the parents ARE to blame, and sometimes that is just life. NOBODY is perfect. Got that?
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I care less about whether they're perfect and more about whether you expect me to pay for their choices and actions.
 
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