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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

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    TIMES. They are a changing.
    ...not necessarily for the better
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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    If the are a baby mamma getting a check, they won't work at home. Girls are no longer expelled from school for being pregnant, and haven't been since the 50s.
    No, I'm saying if the mom needs the money from more work hours it would work to her advantage if she was able to do the school work at home. We already have Internet classes so it seems workable to me.

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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Or you give them rubbers for free and that scenario goes out the window...
    Because providing something to someone not only means they will use it but also that it will be 100% effective. I'm guessing the fact that condoms are free elsewhere and that they are not 100% effective somehow eluded you.

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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

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    ...not necessarily for the better
    Perhaps not, but our population has at least doubled since the 1950s. We have a lot of immigrants who come from completely different cultures with different values and morals. It is unfortunate that people are not more responsible, but that is ideological dream. It is just not realistic.

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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because providing something to someone not only means they will use it but also that it will be 100% effective. I'm guessing the fact that condoms are free elsewhere and that they are not 100% effective somehow eluded you.
    I don't think anyone expects there to be a 100% resolution of the problem from just condoms. It is a step in the right direction though. It's better than having a bunch of unwanted babies and pregnant teenagers or diseased teenagers who spread STDs.

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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I'm saying if the mom needs the money from more work hours it would work to her advantage if she was able to do the school work at home. We already have Internet classes so it seems workable to me.
    Let's meet in the middle. How about letting them stay after school and clean for 30 minutes to save on janitor costs and allow them to earn their condoms?
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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    They could put condom dispensary machines in and charge them a quarter or 50 cents per condom to help offset costs. I don't think it would be unreasonable to charge them that much. I think pretty much ALL teens could come up with a quarter or 50 cents if they had to.

    I'm talking about strictly high school-aged kids. They are kind of at the age where parents have become a less important role in their lives.

    Any younger kids, then it SHOULD be the parents' responsibility. I also think that if a child under the age of say 14 gets impregnated that the parents should have to pay fines or something for neglecting their children. IMO, if a child that young is out having sex and getting pregnant or diseased, that is neglect on the parents' part because those children should have some kind of supervision.

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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think anyone expects there to be a 100% resolution of the problem from just condoms.
    The poster said this:

    Or you give them rubbers for free and that scenario goes out the window...
    You simply don't get people to responsible by providing them something for free. People no matter what have to be willing to be responsible and usually speaking someone that has a habit of being irresponsible will not simply start to be responsible by something being provided to them at no cost either in terms of money or work on their part.

    It is a step in the right direction though. It's better than having a bunch of unwanted babies and pregnant teenagers or diseased teenagers who spread STDs.
    Its basically very similar to how you treat a child that is out of school and yet won't move forward in their life. Do you provide them what they need or do you kick them out?

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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They could put condom dispensary machines in and charge them a quarter or 50 cents per condom to help offset costs. I don't think it would be unreasonable to charge them that much. I think pretty much ALL teens could come up with a quarter or 50 cents if they had to.

    I'm talking about strictly high school-aged kids. They are kind of at the age where parents have become a less important role in their lives.

    Any younger kids, then it SHOULD be the parents' responsibility. I also think that if a child under the age of say 14 gets impregnated that the parents should have to pay fines or something for neglecting their children. IMO, if a child that young is out having sex and getting pregnant or diseased, that is neglect on the parents' part because those children should have some kind of supervision.
    Now we're starting to see eye to eye. There's a big difference between letting the kid use their lunch money for a condom and using tax dollars.
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    Re: Condoms for free at 22 city schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    It's not simply the idea of following my morals. How many times do I have to say "I shouldn't have to pay for your stupid decisions"?
    Why does it matter how they get to not paying for their decisions? Use birth control, condoms, or don't have sex. You are promoting the last option only.

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