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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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TurtleDude said:
I want staff members who WANT TO CARRY carrying, I want me and my wife when we go to school functions able to carry.
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Fortunately, that is not what the majority of the public wants.
 
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Catawba said:
Fortunately, that is not what the majority of the public wants.
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still appealing to the opinions of lots of ignorant people? I guess the majority likes more massacres. that is the obvious desire stemming from those opinions
 
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TurtleDude said:
still appealing to the opinions of lots of ignorant people? I guess the majority likes more massacres. that is the obvious desire stemming from those opinions
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Poor pitiful gun fanatics being harassed by people so ignorant that they place a higher priority on human life than they do your ability to save a few bucks at the target range.
 
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Catawba said:
Poor pitiful gun fanatics being harassed by people so ignorant that they place a higher priority on human life than they do your ability to save a few bucks at the target range.
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If human life was a priority to you, you would want to come up with solutions that might actually WORK, because as we ALL know, banning things doesn't work, as has been proven time and time again throughout history. :mrgreen:
 
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Catawba said:
Poor pitiful gun fanatics being harassed by people so ignorant that they place a higher priority on human life than they do your ability to save a few bucks at the target range.
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that is a dishonest choice

you cannot come close to proving that our rights cost anyone life

I can prove that the idiocy of gun free zones has lead to massive deaths
 
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ChrisL said:
If human life was a priority to you, you would want to come up with solutions that might actually WORK, because as we ALL know, banning things doesn't work, as has been proven time and time again throughout history. :mrgreen:
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excellent point. the anti gun extremists tried to prove that the clinton gun bans actually helped. they couldn't. not one study was able to show that the clinton gun bans stopped any crime.
 
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ChrisL said:
If human life was a priority to you, you would want to come up with solutions that might actually WORK, because as we ALL know, banning things doesn't work, as has been proven time and time again throughout history. :mrgreen:
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Government control worked for machine guns, tanks, and sawed off shotguns. And apparently you missed that they are also proposing to close the private gun sales loophole that allows gun sales without a background check in 3/4 of the states.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is a dishonest choice

you cannot come close to proving that our rights cost anyone life
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The 1994 ban did not take away gun owner's rights, or it would have been challenged in court.
 
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Catawba said:
Government control worked for machine guns, tanks, and sawed off shotguns. And apparently you missed that they are also proposing to close the private gun sales loophole that allows gun sales without a background check in 3/4 of the states.
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The question is does it cut down on murders?
 
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ChrisL said:
The question is does it cut down on murders?
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Since that is where most illegal gun purchases occur, it undoubtedly will cut down on murders. That is why police associations support it.
 
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Catawba said:
The 1994 ban did not take away gun owner's rights, or it would have been challenged in court.
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are you saying it was not

and we now have precedent on our side
 
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Catawba said:
Since that is where most illegal gun purchases occur, it undoubtedly will cut down on murders. That is why police associations support it.
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that is false, several people have posted ATF studies showing less than 2% of all crime guns come from gun shows. far more come from friends of criminals buying or giving guns to criminals
 
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Catawba said:
Since that is where most illegal gun purchases occur, it undoubtedly will cut down on murders. That is why police associations support it.
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That is completely ridiculous and naive. It is EASY for people to get illegal guns off the streets. Just google it and see for yourself. If someone wants a gun, any gun, they can get it regardless of the laws.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is false, several people have posted ATF studies showing less than 2% of all crime guns come from gun shows. far more come from friends of criminals buying or giving guns to criminals
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If the police associations believe it will help reduce the number of guns getting into the hands of crazies and criminals, that's good enough for me.
 
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TurtleDude said:
are you saying it was not

and we now have precedent on our side
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The decade long ban was never ruled to be unconstitutional. I am happy you think your case is solid! :cool:
 
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Catawba said:
If the police associations believe it will help reduce the number of guns getting into the hands of crazies and criminals, that's good enough for me.
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Its amazing to see you swallow the lines from police bureaucrats but in 1996 Janet Reno commissioned a massive poll of the police over the brady bill and the AWB. The results were suppressed because the results indicated 92% of the police thought the waiting period was worthless and 88% thought the AWB was a joke as well

police associations tend to be run by big city bureaucrats who are beholden to big city mayors
 
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Catawba said:
I am happy you think your case is solid! :cool:
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non responsive- how many times have you made this claim

but I see you never answered Chris's question on how the stuff you want will actually help. rather you diverted by referring to some uncited police polls and then this diversion to me
 
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TurtleDude said:
Its amazing to see you swallow the lines from police bureaucrats but in 1996 Janet Reno commissioned a massive poll of the police over the brady bill and the AWB. The results were suppressed because the results indicated 92% of the police thought the waiting period was worthless and 88% thought the AWB was a joke as well

police associations tend to be run by big city bureaucrats who are beholden to big city mayors
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Good point.
 
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ChrisL said:
That is completely ridiculous and naive. It is EASY for people to get illegal guns off the streets. Just google it and see for yourself. If someone wants a gun, any gun, they can get it regardless of the laws.
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You'd think they never paid attention to the war on drugs.
 
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Speaking of drugs, since so many more people (including children) died from drugs in 2009 year as opposed to firearms in the US, I suppose we should definitely keep them illegal and never even CONSIDER legalizing them, especially since there is absolutely nothing stated in the Constitution about the "right to do drugs." :mrgreen:
 
Re: NRA Newtown response

TurtleDude said:
Its amazing to see you swallow the lines from police bureaucrats but in 1996 Janet Reno commissioned a massive poll of the police over the brady bill and the AWB. The results were suppressed because the results indicated 92% of the police thought the waiting period was worthless and 88% thought the AWB was a joke as well

police associations tend to be run by big city bureaucrats who are beholden to big city mayors
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Sorry to hear you have such a low opinion of the police. I have a similar low opinion of the unsubstantiated claims by self interested, anonymous internet posters.
 
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ChrisL said:
Speaking of drugs, since so many more people (including children) died from drugs in 2009 year as opposed to firearms in the US, I suppose we should definitely keep them illegal and never even CONSIDER legalizing them, especially since there is absolutely nothing stated in the Constitution about the "right to do drugs." :mrgreen:
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actually legalizing drugs would probably get rid of lots of the violent crime

its funny that those who understand this fact seem to thing banning guns won't lead to the same problems caused by the silly war on drugs
 
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Catawba said:
Sorry to hear you have such a low opinion of the police. I have a similar low opinion of the unsubstantiated claims by self interested, anonymous internet posters.
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So why did you post a claim about a police opinion that was not substantiated?

I like 99% of the cops

the bureaucrats pretending to be cops who run those associations-not so much
 
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