Nice Hyperboyle
A shotgun with a full tube of oo buckshot or a .22LR with a tube that holds 19 rounds could potentially do the same damage as the AR at close range in a class room, are you prepared to outlaw these weapons as well?
Luckily the Batman killer used a 100 round clip as it jammed several times on him before he finally gave up. If he'd used the more dependable multiple 10 round clips his gun probably wouldnt have jammed & he'd have killed more. It doesnt take long to change a clip if you have any practice and most 100 round clips are called Jammomatics in the gun world. Let me also turn this around and say a person had multiple armed intruders trying to break into his house, A guy like you would force the law abiding citizen to keep reloading to fight these guys off instead of having say a 20 or 30 round clip to have even a prayer of defeating the intruders.
I honestly believe that Fox News and many GOP politicians and pundits LIE regularly - all the time, distort the truth, use scare tactics to rabble rouse and I find it repugnant. I'm not saying that all Democratic politicians are guilt free of exactly the same thing but the Dems who do are not typical and are the exception to the rule. Fox News, Hannity, Rush, Beck and mainstream GOP politicians who lie are the rule not the exception.
Show me regular instances where what you propose happened? It's an urban legend as far as I know. One instance is not enough - show me 20 times that it's happened - you know where multiple intruders with guns attacked someone in their home with the purpose of killing them and they were stopped by a homeowner with AR type weapons using 30 round clips?
This is total rubbish, Barak Obama is the biggest liar to ever take office, remember when he was trying to sell Obama care he told everyone over & over again that they would save 2,400$ a year but his own CBO determined this not to be true and that it was actually going to cost more. We also had this administration repeating the lie about the video, caused the sacking of the consulate in Libya Another example of what you are trying to accuse the other side of yet you ignore multiple examples of your own party doing it.
That's because the gun makers purposely decided to create new weapons that circumvented the law - they weaseled it so that they could continue to sell weapons of mass killing. If they had honored the law and accepted it's intention rather than doing whatever they could to get around it the law would have been more effective. BTW - can you show me where that law did not prevent lives from being saved? I keep hearing this Fox News / NRA talking point but I can't recall seeing non-partisan data supporting it.
First of all I'm not wasting my time trying to dig up 20 links, it would take more time than I currently have. If you google it you can find a few right off the bat, but you missed the point entirely in that there are other guns that a nut could carry out a massacre just as easily with that are considered sporting versions that are just as deadly, so banning the AR or AK type guns would do nothing to stop mass killers. So knowing you Liberals the next step would be banning the multi-shot sporting versions as well. A guy like you would leave us defending our homes undergunned compared to the criminal (who wouldnt follow the law on what type of gun to use) or not armed at all.
A guy like me? I find it interesting when someone presumes to know what "a guy like me" is thinking without my actually writing it.
Then why bother to be on Debate Politics and to read opposing posts since you already know it all? For those of you who want us to feel that the real reason for the 2nd Amendment is to arm citizens against the government that to me, is really fringe thinking. I would hate for my life to contain an irrational phobia where I think my government is a threat to me and that I might have to take up arms to defend myself.
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I do not mean to imply that you have any sort of phobia - I have no idea and it is inappropriate for me to suggest that you do. When I read here how people are all hyped up about a government that doesn't resemble what we are today to the point that someone needs weapons to defend themselves it does seem impossible to me. At no time have I ever felt anything remotely resembling that type of fear. Even during 9/11 (I live in lower Manhattan) I never feared that there would be chaos that would result in my having to defend myself against our own government. Actually I felt that our government would protect us to the best of their abilities.
The topic of this thread is the NRA response to Newtown. I am uninterested in debating Fast and Furious here. If I want to debate that topic I will join a thread that is about that.
So Obama gives criminals "assault weapons" and grenades and the NRA wants guards with inferior weapons... and you go "THIS CANNOT BE DISCUSSED LIKE THIS! New thread."